Emarosa Band • Page 27

I definitely wouldn’t call this a step back after 131 considering it’s in a different style....though that album just seems more interesting now.


Again I want to listen to this more. I like what they’re doing.

 

I think "Don't Cry" is potentially in the same league. I've heard the song twice and haven't been able to get the chorus out of my head for the last 12 hours.

 

Meh. I could easily hear these choruses on the top 40. The only thing seperating emarosa from those artists called is exposure and fan size. Cautious and so bad are top tier, and I believe could easily rival those artists' top songs. Don't mistake exposure and artist size for quality of song. Lyrically and musically they may not be on the same level as a 1975, but this is definitely up there .

 

Minor example, I've showed some of these songs to about 25-30 people since they began dropping more singles at the top of this year and literally every single person didn't understand why they aren't playing on radio yet or aren't huge due to the quality of songs and choruses. Of course this shouldn't be generalized to everyone ( due to sample size) butbI thought it was interesting.

 

yeah Cautious has the best hook I've heard this year lol

 

I deleted my initial response cause I’m doing my very best these days to never argue on the internet, and I don’t want my opinions and thoughts discredited anymore.

Album is pretty great.

 

Yeah this is where I’m at too. Just because this isn’t on the level of LIIWMI which is one of the most acclaimed pop songs of the last few years, doesn’t mean it isn’t still catchy and fun. Obviously not saying everyone has to like this, but I think it’s a really impressive first foray into pop and some of these hooks have barely left my head since I first heard them.

 

This right here.

 

This is also giving me Eternity Forever vibes

 

I wish. Where?

 

It’s a weird comparison I know but every time I play Givin Up or Cautious I just want to spin Letting Go by EF straight after haha

 

People greatly underestimate what it takes to have a hit song and what Top 40 takes.

I’m not mistaking anything, I’m saying who actually has Top 40 hits and who doesn’t and what it takes to get there and why I don’t think this album is that. (Portugal came out of nowhere with a hit because of how damn good that song was.) (Great songs don’t make the Top 40. I love so many songs that will never see the top 40, lots of great underground pop as well. But I’m specifically talking about what sound they tried on this album, and where it comes up short.)

 

I’ve heard the song more than twice and couldn’t tell you what it is. Anecdotes aren’t really anything worth arguing about, but I can say .. objectively .. that “Don’t Cry” isn’t currently getting radio adds, you can look it up on Mediabase.

People can argue it should, that’s fine, I’ll explain why I don’t think it’s in the same league of what other songwriters and producers (that are putting songs, constantly, on the radio) are doing, but as for it being on that level ... we know it’s literally not because radio hasn’t responded to it and my premise is about actual hit pop songs.

We can check back in 3 months and see if it’s gotten traction. I don’t think “Don’t Cry” would be what I would attempt as a single though. I’d try “Cautious.”

 

Yeah Cautious should definitely be the lead on this, shouldn't even be a question ha

 

When Paramore’s new album didn’t sell as well as their previous albums it was “oh they meant to do a smaller release. Album sales don’t reflect the quality of the album.”

Now apparently if it doesn’t sell and chart it’s meh music universally for everyone. My second “hollow” opinion you can discredit.

 

I was moreso speaking on the quality of the songs being good as other top 40 songs, in relation to your previous post. When I said their songs could be there I was solely speaking on the quality of song chorus.

At that point in the discussion quality of song and chorus was what was being mentioned as to why the songs on peach club could not make it on the top 40. We weren't referencing other points, hence I was still using those as the metrics or the measuring stick of whether or not their songs could be there.

I know actually getting on the top 40 is a whole other ball game, hence I only meant it as I believed we were speaking on the basis of good choruses ( and songs ) worthy of the top 40.
I'm well aware of the many underground pop acts that remain underground in spite of their songwriting chops. Hence I wasn't making the point of them getting on the top 40 with all the other considerations ( only the two that was previously mentioned)

Also on another point, Carly's emotion only had one top 40 hit, and that is probably the best pop album of the decade. She had all the other necessary "requirements" and met all of the conditions to have multiple songs from that album on there, yet still didn't. That's for that whole gaining traction point on the other post.

 

Paramores album did a hundred times better than any Emarosa album will ever do

 

Sigh, I feel like you're intentionally missing what I'm actually saying to argue a different point entirely, so I'm going to try one more time and then I've got way more I should be doing than repeating myself.

Their songs aren't there. You're arguing a hypothetical that has no evidence beside something you wish would happen. I'm saying they're not there and if you look at, and really look at, what Top 40 is doing right now, this isn't it. These choruses are not Top 40 choruses, they just aren't. "Eastside," "Happier," "Love Lies," "Close to Me" ... that's Top 40. This isn't.

I am referencing other points. My entire argument is that this is not Top 40 material. It's not even close. Their videos don't even do 500,000 views. I'm sorry, but that's just where they're at.

You keep conflating "good" and "something you like" with "could be a Top 40 hit." These are two separate things. You're making my argument for me. No, she did not have other Top 40 songs on that album, and they tried. It didn't take. In your own words the best pop album of the last decade could only get one song into the Top 40 ... so let's not pretend Emarosa are playing in that level, because they're just not.

A better argument is that Emarosa wrote a really interesting pop album (I'd definitely say that's not true, for various reasons*), but to get caught up on that these songs could be in the Top 40 is just fighting in the wrong weight class. It's not close.

* To compare, The Maine aren't going to see Top 40 success either. Everyone knows this. But their last album is light years better than this one. It's more creative and I think the songs are more diverse and better written. This album doesn't have a quality of its own. It's trying to be The 1975, but without a unique guitar part or production flourish that only that band would try. It's wrapped in the 80's aesthetic by adding synths in a way that feels on top of songs instead of incorporating them into the songs. Again, it feels like window dressing instead of being built in from the start -- like say "The Comeback Kid" from The Midnight -- which just do a more realized version of this sound. And that takes me back to what I said from the start. It's a fine album. It's a good first attempt at something like this. But there's no "Chocolate" on this album. And it ends up being a "we can do that too" album that doesn't reach the highs of other bands doing this kinda sound, and it doesn't have choruses that reach the upper level of say a "Hard Times," "Glue," "Do You Think About Us?," or "SGL" or the reallllly upper level like "1999," "Youngblood," or "Ruin My Life."

 

Paramore specifically wanted to release their album that way, is the argument that Emarosa also want to do a small release without a lot of press? Because ... I don't think that's true. (That said: that album sold more copies in the first week than this will in its entire run.)

No one ever made the second point you're saying here. I never said it was "meh music universally for everyone." I said it's not going to be universally popular or have a Top 40 hit. And I was responding to your post that: "Bradley is a more talented hook writer and vocalist then most popular pop rock bands presently touring/releasing music." -- which we can objectively look to things like success with hooks and popularity to see if it's true or not. And it's not. That doesn't mean the album sucks. It doesn't mean you shouldn't like it. It doesn't mean a lot of people won't like it. But he's not a more talented hook writer than most popular pop rock bands. That's just not a fact because he literally has not written a hook more popular than any of them.

 

Here’s the problem. They took a sound and aesthetic that a million other bands have done, and there’s nothing wrong with this in theory the greatest artists do steal after all. But they put their own spin on that sound. Thing is, Emarosa have never been anything but pretty good. I’ve never considered them to be above average compared to their peers. They have some great songs scattered across their discog. But I just don’t find them to be terribly interesting or noteworthy. Dressing it up in a new sound isn’t changing anything for me

 

Sigh.

The pop up shop they did yesterday looked cool!

 

What does the name of the album mean? Anyone know?

 

Wow. So, I never once compared Paramore to Emarosa in a way that compares their popularity/sales. I’m amazed I got even an extra uninvited response saying something similar.

My point was to critique some hypocritical viewpoints being used here based on bands of your choosing. Regularly. Especially when my opinion is going to be called “hollow.”

 

this is the dumbest thing in the world. this conversation is just a non starter if you’re calling people hypocritical for having different thoughts about different bands that aren’t even remotely playing in the same league

 

I don’t know a better way to say this: I’m not talking to you.