DC Cinematic Universe Movie • Page 20

Not DCEU related, but here's the first trailer for that Krpyton SyFy series. I probably won't watch it unless I hear it's amazing or something.

 

The last time I found myself interested in a weird DC television prequel premise (Gotham), it ended up being a terrible show. Plus, I don't have any confidence in Goyer. Plus, there's so much comic book television to compete with.

Still... I must confess I did leave that trailer pretty intrigued, lol.

 

Trailer wasn't bad at all, and the production value looks pretty decent. I'm just already so invested in the Arrowverse and Netflix Marvel shows, both of which are exhausting in their own right. Hard to get excited about yet another superhero show.

 

yeah I pretty much laughed off the idea of that show when they announced it... however, that trailer actually looked pretty interesting haha. I might check it out, we'll see. I really can't stand goyer, I think he's super overrated and only does well when he has better people working with him. also don't know how long they can keep a show pre-planet explodes interesting.

 

LOL. Saw that the other day. He's so giddy about his Superman character assassination.

 

It's really hard for me to understate how much I hate Zack Snyder. It's like, literally as much as one can possibly hate someone they've never met.

 

So much hyperbole hate. Make the best live action Superman movie we've gotten and people cry.

 

Man of Steel is a bad Superman movie. It's not totally devoid of good, but as a Superman film, it generally deserves the hate it gets.

Hopefully the resurrected character turns things around in the next Superman film with a director who better understands what makes this character at his best so compelling.

 

You always have the best GIF responses.

I wish the movies held up as much as I loved them back in my childhood

 

watch at 4:10. I can't really put it any better. Sucks you don't like it though.

 

Man of Steel made me finally care about the Superman character. I love it.

 

Man of Steel was great. The problem was for me, his character didn't grow from MOS to BvS. Him saving the day was reduced to a montage and even though I liked the shock of the court room exploding the first time I saw it, I would have loved to see what he'd have to say to the people there.

 

These words, probably in this exact order, have left my lips so many times.

 

I've seen this before. It's cute but not actually meaningful at all. You don't have to take a life to appreciate life, and going all grimdark doesn't make this take on Superman magically more mature or a better reflection of the modern era or whatever.

This movie is bad for a variety of reasons that have been reiterated ad nauseum. There are some visual and story decisions that are pretty decent, but the overall film doesn't work as a Superman film. It's nothing that makes Superman interesting. It's the product of WB thinking that Superman is too corny, and of Snyder thinking that grit and toxic masculinity and a pretense of maturity is all that you need for a good superhero film.

If this is your favorite Superman or what made you a fan, you're allowed to like it, but then you're a Snyder fan and not a Superman fan. Hopefully anyone this applies to picks up All-Star Superman and Kingdom Come and comes to understand what this character, as his best, can be.

 

Yeah, that's a pretty elitist statement. I love Man of Steel and also love those books, as well as many other Superman stories, animated series, ect. From my POV it just seems like people are so married to their old school version of Superman, all their complaints are about what they wanted his character to be instead of judging on the merits of the movie by itself. Its easy to compare it to fan boy crying.

I don't think that old school version of Superman resonates with people anymore (see Superman returns). Characters with flaws and moral struggles are what most people seem to relate and attach to (aka the MCU). Shame that MOS tried to do that and all some people want to do is try to simplify it to "Snyder just wants it dark and gritty". Really? No nuance or emotion in that movie at all...... *eye roll*

 

Man of Steel is a bad Superman movie, and not because I have some overly rigid view of what Superman is allowed to be. There is a wide range of stories that have been and could be done successfully. It's not a freakin' crybaby fanboy sentiment to say that Zack "I'm good at eye candy but absolute garbage at basic storytelling" Snyder failed the character.

The movie isn't without small accomplishments. Clark responding to Jon when he learns of his background with "Can't I just be your son?" is a good moment. Jon, wrestling inwardly with his desire to protect his son, tepidly saying "maybe" to if Clark should've let people die is a good moment. The idea of Lois investigating a mysterious Superman before he's gone fully public is a good idea. Even the film's greatest misstep, that freakin' neck snap, while a total trash decision for a new Superman, could have theoretically been pulled off in a story that didn't suck, with a Superman that we've spent a LOT of time with; I wouldn't tell that story or ask for it, but there's a way to properly earn it, and in that hypothetical situation Clark's response to what he had to do is the right one.

But as is, the movie is bad and, yes, largely without any meaningful nuance. There are sloppy attempts to piece together a genuinely interesting take on the character in the first half, attempts that, with some tweaking, could've worked decently well, but before long, it devolves into some sad, childish attempt at creating a dark, brooding, edgy Superman who cares more about exerting his dominance most of the time than he does human life.

It's a lazy deconstruction of a character that takes away his most defining attributes, but because Snyder is a visual-obsessed child, he either doesn't realize that Superman has compelling attributes outside of his powers, or doesn't give a crap. He'd rather swing his action figures and his dick into a bunch of ugly 9/11 imagery without actually saying anything. Not that every superhero film has to say something profound, but if that's not your goal with a Superman film, why not let it be a fun popcorn flick that at least captures this beloved character, instead of showing off how corny your immature freakin' mind thinks he is?

The failings with Superman Returns (which was a better critical success than Man of Steel, and while it made less money, it didn't flop, but hey, whatever, who cares) are a lot more complicated than it being old school Superman; using it to dismiss the character is just as stupid as it is to dismiss female-fronted superhero films because of Elektra or become too obsessed with R ratings because of Deadpool. It's also the same crap mindset that almost kept Deadpool from even getting made.

It's about making a good film, not about a certain narrow thing being just what everyone wants these days. How is that whole grimdark Snyder approach doing for DC/WB? Seems to be a lot of backlash to that lately (some justified and some not). Also, the normally optimistic Fantastic Four recently got turned dark and edgy, yet was a colossal failure. Meanwhile, the Russos' Captain America films have been able to succeed in part because, instead of thinking that he's corny and in need of deconstruction, they leaned into his role as a compassionate symbol of hope while also setting out to prove that he's cool. The Russos' Steve Rogers is faithful to the character's history and what people love about him while still giving him moral struggles and making him relatable. Weird, right? If only there were Superman stories that did the same thing... Oh, wait, there freakin' are. Duh. My goodness.

But, hey, lets move away from specifically Man of Steel for a second. Can you please, PLEASE explain to me how the classic version of Superman isn't a good fit for modern audiences? Seriously. Explain to me who Superman is, and then explain to me what specifically about that wouldn't work.

Tell me how the audiences that ate up The Avengers wouldn't want to see a character clad in old school blue and red garb fight some big alien threat without going full angsty, faux-edgy grimdark deconstruction with him. Tell me how the audiences that loved the visuals of GOTG, Star Wars, and Doctor Strange wouldn't want to see Superman go on some wild Golden Age/All-Star Superman-type adventure. Tell me how the audiences that haven't grown tired of Spider-Man yet would say no to a well-made Superman who saves lives with a smile.

Or, let's get more grounded. Tell me how the character who, in his literal very first appearance, forced his way into a governor's home at night to save someone falsely convicted of a crime, and then attacked a man who was assaulting a woman, wouldn't connect with current audiences. Tell me how this Superman who, in his very first two comics ever back in the 30s, grabbed a senator who promoted war for political advantage and took him to the frontline so he'd experience the horrors of war firsthand, wouldn't resonate with audiences in 2017. Tell me how an immigrant story, a literal illegal alien, wouldn't work (especially if you race-bent the character, which would be a far more compelling modernization than Snyder's childish nonsense). Tell me how a character who has been a hero of the oppressed for nearly 80 years doesn't belong in the age of the Flint water crisis and police brutality.

Please. Tell me which part of this doesn't work today.

 

Had me until Captain America was brought up.

 

Dang it, Jason. lol.

 

tl;dr

 

dammit this made me choke on my water lmao