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Discussion in 'Politics Forum' started by Wharf Rat, Mar 6, 2016.

  1. thischarmingman

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    OH SHIT must sub
     
  2. Dominick

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  3. Wharf Rat

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  4. Trotsky

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    What are the thoughts on Kropotkin here
     
  5. Wharf Rat

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    I like kropotkin, helped me get into anarchism

    came here to post this tho

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  6. Dominick

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    On this day, the first volume of Das Kapital was published.
     
  7. thischarmingman

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    hmm can you still adhere to anarcho-communist beliefs if you also at the same time wanna go to law school
     
  8. Wharf Rat

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    for sure man gotta live in the world. as long as you don't end up a lawyer for monsanto or some shit
     
  9. thischarmingman

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    trying to get int crim law and work for the public defender for a bit before going private i think. overall goal here is to help people go from being turbofucked to just regular fucked
     
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  10. alex

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    Opinions on Richard Wolff? Dude seems like an accessible introduction to socialism but I get the feeling that he doesn't go nearly as deep as one would eventually want
     
  11. sophos34

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    omg someone i went to high school with works for monstanto hahahaha (not as a lawyer)
     
  12. Dominick

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    He is good at the introductory stuff. For my money, David Harvey is good at both the introductory stuff, as well as the more complex economic theories.
     
  13. Dominick

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  14. alex

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    Open question to all:

    If you ascribe to a particular ideology (I realize most people aren't dogmatic about their beliefs, but there is usually something that one most closely aligns with), what is the reason (the core, fundamental value/s that sets it apart from others) that speaks to you? Why do you reject other ideologies that are, on the surface, closely related to it?

    I suppose an entire thread could be made out of this topic, especially if you wanted to go beyond political ideologies.
     
  15. thischarmingman

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    most of my views can probably be summed up as anarcho-communism but with a touch of "well i have to live in the stupid real world" cynicism. basically, just listen to wingnut dishwashers union and you'll get it.
     
  16. Wharf Rat

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    Man it really gets me when ppl shit on leftists for not being for free speech. I might be if it wasn't an abstraction that doesn't apply to leftist ideology, at all, ever.

    "People conflate radical speech with reactionary speech. Hate speech, fascism, racism, etc. are all reactionary (bourgeois) speech, which historically has occupied a very privileged place in our discourse in relation to radical speech (Marxism, communism, anarchism, the black power movement, etc.) which a quick glance at history shows is always what the ruling class tries to quash.

    The ruling class protects hate speech and hates radical speech (by definition). "Freedom of speech" is an ideology often used to help bolster and protect reactionary hate speech, which doesn't need protecting (because it helps bolster ruling class interests, so they already protect it either implicitly or explicitly). "Freedom of speech" as an ideology has not often been deployed in protection of the speech rights of communists and black militants and other radicals.

    This is why socialists like me are against "free speech" as such. It is an ideological weapon in service to bourgeois and ruling class interests. Hate-mongers and fascists don't need any more protection than they already get."
     
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  17. MexicanGuitars

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    I had this exact sort of conservation with people after protestors "shut down" Trump's rally at UIC in Chicago earlier this year. Trump's right to "free speech", which so many defend, leads to actual violence against his opponents and enables the rise of more hate speech and violent acts that further establishes the supremacy of white nationalism, capitalism, etc.
     
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  18. Dominick

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    Marxism and its method seem to be the best way in which to analyze social phenomena on broader scales. I like anarchism because it takes that method and dives deeper into the interpersonal, granular ways in which power manifests itself. So, from my perspective, I don't reject other ideologies out of hand. I view them critically from a particular perspective, trying to derive some value (ha) out of them by stripping them of their idealist/liberal values.
     
  19. MexicanGuitars

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  20. Wharf Rat

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  21. aranea

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    cool, thanks, i looked into harvey and wolff after this discussion. now it would be great if i could just stick to actually reading books.
     
  22. MexicanGuitars

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    Harvey's "A Brief History of Neoliberalism" is a great introductory read into the topic. Really accessible but sets the groundwork for his more detailed, complex works.
     
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  23. MexicanGuitars

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  24. man, wish I hadn't just now found this thread. I need to actually open forums more instead of only looking at my followed threads.
     
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  25. Malatesta

    i may get better but we won't ever get well Prestigious

    this is my life once i subbed to the gen discussions, i need to get out more