Discussion in 'Politics Forum' started by Wharf Rat, Mar 6, 2016.
^ Y’all need to watch that, it’s really good. @Zac Djamoos @Contender @dylan @popdisaster00 @iCarly Rae Jepsen @incognitojones @scott @Chris Prindle @David87
Great video, really detailed, I know so little about what's actually going on there so its good to see the distortion in full effect.
News about controversial foreign policy issues are so difficult for me. Of course I have immediate doubts about anything from any major US news source, but at the same time I'm *extremely* hesitant to just trust some random person on twitter or youtube. idk
what makes them random
Agreed. Finding reliable news is tough. Twitter has become a great way for folks to get stuck in echo Chambers.
Guess "random" is the wrong word. But there can be so many conflicting narratives even among non-mainstream sources that I don't feel like I know who to believe. In that video, for example, he makes a lot of good points critiquing Oliver's episode, but a good deal of what he posits as the truth is him literally just saying what he anecdotally witnessed and passing it off as all that needs to be said. I'm not saying I think he's full of shit or anything (though it always tends to naturally raise a pretty big red flag for me when someone doesn't seem to offer even the slightest criticism towards the side they're advocating for), but just as with so many news sources, I can't help but think "...and so then why should I believe you, exactly?"
That guy really did a great job articulating the disinformation in the particular piece he was criticizing, there are valid critiques to his critique as well, but I think we have a fuller picture of reality because of the information he provided. But there's no way to get all the information available in a vastly complex nuanced situation like the current political and economic situation of Venezuela. Even if we were lived in Venezuela and were studying it there'd be issues and biases and unknown information. Reality is viewed through a lens of what we know at the time.
Also free will is an illusion, you're going to have to be manipulated by someone to have any thoughts on any issue, best to get manipulated by the more informative source.
But that's the exact point of contention for me. That video isn't even a particularly good example of what I'm talking about; any various twitter threads are more in line with what I'm talking about. the video just got me thinking about it
Problem is now that we have access to so much information (and by extension, misinformation) that we're collectively choosing what are valid sources based on our biases. It's easy to point the finger when the right does it but the left can be equally as guilty of falling for it.
For example, should we automatically trust a person on Twitter who sticks a rose next to their name as a reliable source of info?
There's sadly no way to avoid it, the only thing to do is always stay critical. Knowing that all sources are flawed in some way, because there's no way to describe the entirety of any situation, is important and necessary, but also doesn't reveal some better source besides years of study and actual experience.
Long form articles, blogs, podcasts and YouTubers
i think that thread has reliable sources. The key is inclusion of counterpoints. I guess that's a question I have...is leftist discussion devoid of reasonable debate? We often hear from the reactionary wing of the right but what about discussion with liberals or centrists? I'm sure it's out there i just never seem to see it.
I'm not saying the video is perfect but Western media and propaganda is made to look at the global South and its allies that are against the interests of capitalism as a complete mess in need of intervention. With that, it will distort what is really going on.
And so, I believe the video in contrast to John Oliver because Oliver is hugely simplifying everything and is only telling half the story. For example, "X person fires people" - ok which people and why? Evidence of this? The video does a better job in that respect.
Is there leftist bias? Of course. It's not self critical- but I alone cannot be 100% sure of every single thing going on. I think we can agree that Western right wingers, and capitalists and corporations, don't have the people's best interests at heart. Liberals don't know any better (like, all the talk show hosts) and are like "eh it's not all America's fault" (while not completely untrue, it also underestimates just how much of it IS due to intervention) and so they echo similar sentiments.
The so called liberals and centrists on YouTube are just right wingers. They are known as "anti SJWs/feminists". I would say Kyle kulinski and David pakman are genuinely liberal, but I haven't seen them debate the socialists.
Debates rarely happen because most people either don't want to, or other people don't want to see debates. The response is often "why are you giving fascists a platform".
If you search for debates, most of the results are anti left and pro right. If you look for specific people, it's even harder cause it mostly doesn't exist.
I think this one is good though
Other than that, the best I can find that aren't debates are response blogs(current affairs)/videos(Shaun, contra, bad mouse, etc). In some of these cases, leftists have offered to debate but haven't heard anything back (like Nathan of CA with Peterson, who enjoys saying nobody will debate him.)
Er, so uh...anyone else notice that Dom has vanished off the face of the internet
Just found some stuff that’s possibly not so great but idk where else to post about it where other people who know him would find it, so I’m here, idk. Don’t want to say too much in a public post
I too have noticed his disappearance
Yep - I was a lurker for a while before posting and enjoyed his posts. I hope he's alright.
Saw this on Reddit, wish I saw it like two years ago when I first started reading about leftism. Useful when you're looking to recruit on college campuses, etc. The point about free speech is so poignant.
Not sure why it's not embedding on mobile. Sorry.
has to do with how imgur makes images into pages rather than raw images i think. using [ img ] tags works