boygenius - The Record (March 31, 2023) • Page 77

What’s with the sarcasm? Are we really gonna have a conversation about assault like this?

 

it was mostly directed to the comment made like it was hard facts that he seemed to vanish into thin air. all it takes is half a minute of looking up to see that he has gone nowhere and his hands are still all over the art, but if you are comfortable drawing lines as to not impact your enjoyment of the art (again not you specifically), as i said, do what you want with the information.

 

im just so sick and tired of this website feigning high support for accountability and then retreating tail between its legs when it involves artists we actually like. there are countless examples but im not super interested in getting into other artist debates at the moment.

 

When I said disappeared I meant in relation to Phoebe. I don’t see how Phoebe can be blamed for …other people hanging out with him? The Record and the EP were recorded a long time ago.

 

ok!

 

That’s if you choose to ignore that Phoebe was with Christian around the same time that Christian was with Marshall. Yeah there’s a chance they were never actually in the same room, since no one actually saw them together, but that seems highly unlikely.

 

Again there could be so many legitimate personal and maybe even legal reasons she hasn't made a statement yet, and to imply nefariousess on her part or something she needs to be held to the torch for right now when you really know very very little about what is actually happening behind closed doors just seems so Incredibly odd to me. Sorry if I was a little aggressive but it's been annoying me.

You don't even really know yet if there is anything she needs to be held accountable for. Held accountable for maybe taking her to time to process that her ex-boyfriend is sexual abuser before she decides to publicly acknowledge it? Held accountable for possibility dealing with legal and contractual stuff regarding royalties and credits before she can officially make a statement that he's no longer associated? It seems like some of you are just jumping to "she's protecting him so fuck her" and sorry there is just no real evidence of that. As soon as there is I will gladly join you and saying she needs to be held accountable.

My all time favorite band for years was Brand New. I haven't listened to them on purpose since all that stuff happened with Jesse. So no I am not "picking and choosing who to hold accountable based on who I like" and I am looking at context, understanding the nuance, and not jumping to a conclusion based off right now mostly assumptions of character.

Also:: "we don't even know yet how involved he his on her current writing process for the next album!" Exactly. You don't know.

 

man this thread is the pits

 

If he’s an active part of her next record and touring cycle, that would be pretty lame. As of right now it’s all speculation. It sounds like their relationship has been weird and complicated since Phoebe was a teenager, which I’m sure contributes. If people want to call her a hypocrite for not making a statement, fine, but I don’t think it’s clear cut when it’s pretty much all speculation.

 

tbh i naively want to hope she has “fired”/whatever her relationship with marshall and i think it’s fair to assume her reluctance to speak on it could be litigation-motivated but i also am exhausted from seeing parties on both sides of this constantly spouting the same talking points for a year now. she simply is not worth this level of debate.

 

A year?

 

fair

 

Well I get the sense that Phoebe won't be going away anytime soon as she just cleared her instagram

 

In my experience, people can be very active in calling out perpetrators while simultaneously being quiet and/or protective when someone they like or are close to is the perpetrator. It happens frequently in comedy circles and I imagine it’s similar in most/all arts scenes. A lightning bolt doesn’t come down out of the sky and strike you if you manage to both be publicly outspoken about other people’s behavior while being private about similar behavior in your circle. I feel bad for people who are victimized in a scene or friend group and expect public or friend-group advocates to be on their side and get reminded that our advocacy can be dependent on the players involved. That happened to a friend a few years ago and stuck with me.

 

Goddamnit.

 

Phoebe has now unfollowed Marshall on both Instagram and Twitter/X.

 

She's also not following Julien Baker or Lucy Dacus so I don't know how well of a metric that is.

 

I sort of get clearing out your photos but why those that you follow. Soon enough they will make whole new accounts for each album.

 

Lucy also archived all her IG posts except her most recent one.

 

When I saw that clip of phoebe it really bummed me out too that she can call that out but not someone close to her. If she can't say too much and is processing that's fine. But I almost just wish she'd say that, even in a vague way. Because I'm so used to silence = complicit and I think many feel the same. She's a powerful voice and that makes the silence feel louder. I don't think women should be held more accountabler than the abuser but it'll just make their silence all the louder when they speak up on some cases but not the one they have more direct control/proximity with. But I'm not a lawyer so idk how these things work and if even hinting at it can be an issue? But it's a bummer for sure

 

Omfg I just realized I typed "more accountabler"

These guys aren't the only geniuses!

 

This one has been a tough one for me. I always default to believe victims until proven otherwise but I don't know how to approach this situation.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is there was a now deleted reddit post that didn't mention any names but a tweet quoting showing the post did. The original reddit post might have had comments that did the same. I couldn't dig any further but I have not seen a news outlet pick this up either.

So what should Phoebe do in this situation? If this is true then she should have already cut contact and release a statement. That's obvious enough. If there is no merit to the post then why should she address it? It would only bring more attention to a situation that turned out to not be true that can optically look worse. If the post were fake, and I was in Phoebe's shoes, I wouldn't make a public statement.

The frustration I have with this is the lack of information. I don't know how to feel.

 

I’m definitely not nearly as angry at Phoebe as some people here, but I think it’s completely justified to feel that an artist that’s been very outspoken about these issues before is once again coming across as hypocritical when it hits closer to home.

 

I'm gonna keep pretending that was on purpose because it was funny