boygenius - The Record (March 31, 2023) • Page 72

I'm not surprised by the nominations but I doubt they win more than one.

 

Seriously the same.

 

i was wrong i'll take the L

 

I’m asking this as a genuine question and hoping not to get any hate from this, but rather a thoughtful response.

I’m somewhat familiar with the allegations against Pheobes drummer. And from my understanding they have worked together for a long time and are friends (or are friendly). What would some of you do if someone told you that a very good friend of yours that you had known for years sexually assaulted someone and your friend denied it? What if you’d never seen any inclination that your friend could do something like this but it was being claimed despite their denial? Would you immediately disown them? Would you believe them? What if you genuinely believed them to be a good person?

Now I don’t know what this man did or didn’t do. He may very well be a predator and a rapist. But in that situation I can see where it would be hard to turn your back on a friend that denies any wrong doing. If nothing legal comes of it, do you just end the relationship forever without a verdict rendered? I understand that guilt in the court of law doesn’t isn’t the only way to determine guilt. In fact, the unfortunate reality is that many rapists and predators never face consequences for their actions because SA/rape are so hard to prove in a court of law.

I like Phoebe's music. I’m not a super fan or anything. But I am curious what the expectation of her is. Should she make a statement and keep him around? Should she get rid of him? All of this is complicated by her fame obviously, but stripping that away I can see where it would be hard to do something like that on an interpersonal level. I know we any celebs to be paragons of morality, but they are flawed, complicated people, like all of us. They won’t always get it right. Neither will we. And sometimes we’ll find ourselves in difficult spots where we don’t know what to believe or what to do.

 

man

 

I think she’s just a hypocrite. She’s always been very vocal about situations like this and the second it hits close to home she doesn’t say a word. It just comes off as performative.

 

The whole Twitter/tesla thing just doubles down on her being a hypocrite. So I don’t think it’s even a matter of thinking she is, she just is

 

I think it's easy to speak out until it's someone you care about. Which is when it really counts and when accountability can actually make more of a difference imo because I feel like someone is more willing to learn/change/grow when those close to them are holding them accountable.

 

That’s definitely fair. But wasn’t there some kind of court document or something like that where she had stated she was uncomfortable with his behavior with girls? I can’t remember exactly what it was and I don’t know where to find it again now. I know it’s easy to say when I’m not in her shoes, but if I saw a pattern of behavior from a friend that made me uncomfortable and then serious allegations came out about them, I don’t think I’d hesitate at all to take a step back and speak up.

 

The court document was not Phoebe stating anything. It was someone who was suing Phoebe saying that she stated that. People keep forgetting this context.

BTW, Phoebe is out $500k in court fees from this case, where she was being sued for calling someone an abuser online.

 

I did make it clear that I didn’t remember what it actually was, so my bad.

 

She employs him.

She financially supports him.

Money from her pocket goes into his.

This isnt a "friend" thing.

He works for her, and its "fuck phoebe" until she addresses it.

 

Someone in the Phoebe Facebook group said she quietly fired him but as far as I know there's really no way to verify that until her next album.

 

She can issue a statement!!!! But shes a fucking coward.

 

I can’t confirm since I didn’t see it myself but apparently Phoebe was in the studio with Christian the same day he posted that picture of Marshall

 

So cool to watch a bunch of people (lots of men) dogpile on an abuse victim for not acting the way they think she should about other abuse allegations

 

I think it’s fair for people to be uncomfortable that an advocate with a big platform has stayed silent about someone now that it’s one of her closest friends and they want it to be made clear that she has cut ties with him considering he is directly involved with all of her music.

 

You’ve continuously “posted through” this, so it doesn’t surprise me to see you take this stance. Good for the Grammy noms I guess…

 

She has literally been a survivor of sexual abuse/assault no? So maybe someone she was in a relationship with and worked very closely with being an abuser themselves should maybe have just ONE type of statement….

 

What lol

 

You posted about them being mentioned on SNL and Grammy nominations while we’re actually talking about something serious.

 

I’ll go back if you want

 

I’m sorry for posting news about the band in the band’s thread I’ll try to do better

 

I don’t want to argue further. My point being in a thread for a band with a very popular member whom young and impressionable fans literally faint for, and this member having a close business associate that had sexually assaulted people. It’s important to call them out and wonder why they’re not saying anything important on the subject. I’m happy for Juilen and Lucy ie the bands success.