Black Lives Matter • Page 2

I can see what you are saying. Let me ask you this. Answer however you wish.

1. I think dividing people into “supporting black lives to be equal to white ones” and “no, they aren’t” is a *very* important distinction. We can disagree on whether certain taxes are worthwhile. We can’t disagree on whether certain human beings are. Do you agree?

2. If you mean all politicians play to their side, that’s true. That’s literally politics. But I can’t find or think of a Dem who would reject someone on the right for genuinely supporting BLM. That’s what is leading me to engage with you in good faith.

The leadership of the very deepest, most mainstream part of the conservative movement, from the potus to all congressional GOP members, resoundingly reject BLM. If you can produce even one who is still with the GOP and has voiced vocal support for BLM through legislation or even a public statement, I’ll donate $50 to the Rebuild Lake Street commission (rebuilding the areas destroyed/burned by the riots, primarily POC-owned small business), in your name, and post the receipt here.

3. I commend you for being a self-stated “conservative” who supports BLM. I know of some myself, but they have completely renounced the GOP and are working hard to displace GOP elected officials at all levels from president to dog catcher. In order for real change to come, this has to be the next step as long as the current elected officials are not willing to recognize our fellow human beings as just that. Is that the work you’re willing to commit to, as a conservative first?

 

Thanks for posting this Jason. I lot of great resources here. Particularly the twitter thread on solutions to stopping police violence.

 

Man. Jason, I’ve got to say I appreciate what you’ve done in this post.

 

Obama created division. That sentence disqualified that poster from any credibility in my book.

 

1. I agree

2. I can only assume that they reject BLM because they see it as a violent movement. The rioting and the looting. I would hope, that if it were just peaceful protesting, they would support it. But we’ll never know the answer to that. I obviously have no way of knowing what’s going on inside someone else’s brain. I don’t trust any politician and what they say.

I think Obama did a good thing with equality among all human beings. But in my opinion, after awhile it started to take a turn for the worst. There were a lot of things out of left field. It was getting shoved in our faces, and I think that’s what started to divide us.

I don’t know if I’m answering your questions at all. I’m just shooting from the hip here. I live in AZ, and I love our new senator Kyrsten Sinema. I may not agree with everything she says or does, but I love that she follows her heart, and doesn’t worry about crossing party lines. Nobody is always right or wrong. It’s good to think differently. It’s good to listen to each other. That’s how progress is made.

 

This is all centrist bullshit, first of all.

Secondly, the association between BLM and rioting/looting is only HAPPENING because of large amounts of police-incited violence being covered up or incorrectly reported on.

You have come into this thread with "good" intentions but your refusal to truly listen is another example of why all the privileged Americans straddling the all lives matter/not all cops are bad line are a massive part of the problem. I encourage you to educate yourself about systemic racism and educate yourself about what's really going on in the world right now.

 

Educate me then you fucking asshole. You talk about not listening, all you Do is fucking scream back at someone on the other side That’s trying to have a rational conversation. No sorry, I don’t think violence is the answer. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

 

I’m done with this bullshit. Go fight with someone else.

 

Anti-racism resources for white people

 

you are aware that the protests have been peaceful for decades upon decades and they haven’t liked that either? taking a knee was peaceful and the Vice President literally walked out of a game as a response. What exactly was so left field from Obama? Basic human rights?

 

If someone says they care more about a building than black lives, they don't think black lives matter. The "but the riots!" is a distraction to not address police brutality, because the same people throw fits about kneeling athletes or written words, and the response to a protest of police brutality as we are seeing right now is more police brutality.

All of this is laid out in far, far better detail in the pieces linked in my original post. (That's why I included them!)

Believing black lives matter is more than saying it, it's actions that support it.

 

@Katie Osborne I know you said that you're done but I would reconsider that because by giving up, you continue to be part of the problem.

I'll try to say this in the most sympathetic way. You can't insert yourself in a conversation about such a sensitive issue, and spout talking points that have been debated and countered to death, then throw a pity party when things get obviously heated (I mean, it's a sensitive issue for a reason), and then expect everyone else to educate you like we're supposed to do your homework.

That's why I posted that link. Click on it, read the articles, start from there and confront the views shared with yours. Yes, it's A LOT, but if you want any further discussions about Black Lives Matter, racial profiling, police brutality, protesters, and other surrounding topics, to take a better turn, you have to do the required reading, watching and listening beforehand. It'll help you understand where the movement comes from, first and foremost, but also realize why your arguments aren't helping the cause and instead preserve an harmful status quo. There's so much confusion in your posts.

What rubbed me wrong, and others I suppose, is how you're using an informative thread -whose sole purpose is to give people some resources and tools to help at the moment- to deflect attention away from the actual issues. It's really frustrating to witness black people get killed and cops getting away with it thanks to an oppressive system that's constantly in favor of the latters over and over again, and then to see people miss the points completely like you're doing, honestly, so don't be surprised if people lash out at you.

Again, bowing out of the discussion is disappointing to see.

 

Why are you wasting your time with someone who thinks obama created division? His presence as a black man in office and a president who dealt with all of these issues head on, as best as any president in 150 years has ever done...... is what created division. Not the racist assholes who didnt like all of that stuff.

 

They care more about a “building” than black lives. First off, it’s not just a building to most people. It’s their whole lively hood. For some people, it’s what they worked so hard their entire lives to get. Put their blood sweat and tears into. They have nothing to do with what the police officers did. Rioting is hurting innocent people. Find a better solution. It’s funny you didn’t mention looting either. How do you see this getting resolved by rioting? Seriously? All it’s doing is pissing people off, and dividing us even more.

 

I didn’t say Obama divided us.

 

It’s not giving up. I’m just exhausted from all this. And NOTHING ever changes. I am educated. I was being sarcastic before. I’m not gonna go back and forth with articles. Acting like my source is better than yours, or the other way around. This is truly a waste of time.

 

Ok, so what? It’s still an insured building versus an **actual human life**. See, this is why I don’t think you actually think the life matters.

Read any of the pieces I’ve already linked about this and why rioting happens and how it’s a reaction to the militarization and escalation by police. Or tell me what solution is “better” that all the racists and cops can agree they’ll listen to and stop being racist and shitty and stop killing people.

Read what I already shared. It’s all in those pieces. That’s why I shared them. They’re telling you the answers.

 

Bullshit, not everyone has insurance. And for those that do, we all know how good insurance companies are.

I don’t have a solution. I never claimed that I knew everything. But you guys certainly think you do.

I’ll read them.

 

How obtuse can you honestly be?

 

Your argument for prioritizing buildings over lives doesn’t get better by saying “but insurance companies are bad.” (Especially as a declared republican who have specific goals to make them bad, and worse for minorities.)

You don’t like the solutions because they are going to be very very hard and difficult for you. I've shared quite a few via the links in my original post. If cops and the governments answer to us saying “stop killing people” continues to be “no,” then any and all other ideas need to be on the table. Cause asking nicely isn’t working. They’re killing people.

 

Imagine being 28 and still name calling on the internet. That's sad.

My tone in that post, "screaming" as you call it is because I'm angry. I'm angry that racism is still a devastating issue today. I'm angry for George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and every single American that isn't a white man. You need to see the bigger picture. In another post, you had the audacity to compare a business to a man's life. Clearly, your priorities are out of wack and you fail to understand the meaning of the Black Lives Matter movement. Take your bullshit privilege somewhere else unless you're going to actively listen and try to learn.

It's not my job to educate you. Learn how to fucking use Google.

 

The problem with people like this is a lack of understanding, there's a fundamental difference between not saying racist stuff and actively combatting racism.

 

Have you seen the dozens upon dozens of small business owners that are not condemning the protesters for the looting? You also keep conflating the protesters with the looters, which aren’t the same thing.

 

Uhh no I’m not. I’m placing rioters and looters together. And no offense, but who the fuck cares about the ones not condemning. They don’t speak for all.