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Live Forever is a dope ass song

 

Sure, Radiohead have had more of a musical impact than Oasis, and they're clearly a far more talented group. However, Oasis had a much further reaching (albeit fairly brief) cultural impact, that encompassed far more than the music they wrote.

They embodied and hugely influenced the youth culture and landscape of mid-90s England far more than anybody else. They were THE band, in a way that Radiohead didn't come close to. A decent comparison could be the Sex Pistols, not that good really, but monumentally influential and important at the time.

 

One of the best posts I've seen on this site.

 

I like oasis quite a bit.

What I hate more than anything is Ryan Adams' cover of wonderwall jfc I've never heard a more lifeless and boring cover in my life. The first time I heard it I thought I was listening to the wrong version cause it's so hyped. Idk why ppl hold it up so high.

 

While we're on unpopular opinions and Ryan Adams, I despise his version of 1989.

 

it felt like a midlife crisis to me

 

I don't know what I expected, but I should've just stuck to the original. The RA version was one of my least favorite albums I heard last year.

 

I don't like any Ryan Adams but I really don't like his 1989.

 

I like Morning Glory a lot though and a few other random Oasis tracks.

 

That 1989 is fucking awful and all the kids coming out of the woodwork crying "real music is so much better" about it is tbh e worst.

 

Yeah, but him letting the fame and money get to his head is what makes him not so great of an influence culturally. I don't really have positive feelings toward the influence of of a guy who repeatedly shows he has zero respect for his peers in the entertainment industry. Really, bashing music for creativity's sake and saying music is for "party people" with a "drug habit"? For most creative people I know, art is a community where everyone can add new ideas and learn from each other, his attitude is the opposite. And hes totally serious, it's not even like Sun Kil Moon who just drunkenly jokes around about the wrong things, Gallagher clearly cant deal with the inferiority complex of another band being more acclaimed without lashing out and trying to belittle them. It was a pointed question, sure, the reporter was looking for a reaction to print - he could've literally just said "we're both successful bands, im proud of our success as well, and im not in the business of comparisons, we make music for different reasons." Can be humble and respectful without sacrificing an ounce of pride, but instead he consistently makes douchebag tirades like this that influence people to be pompous jealous assholes haha.

 

I'm not saying that he's a particularly nice person or a good influence or anything, just that Oasis were hugely influential figures on English culture. Whether or not you respect them or like them is missing the point. By all accounts Michael Jordan is a total arsehole, but he's still a hugely influential figure on basketball and American life. Disclaimer; I know nothing about basketball haha.

They were iconoclastic for a few years in the mid 90s, and while that didn't last, they're going to forever be a hugely important band in the history of English music. They impacted fashion, culture and lifestyle in a way that I don't think any British band has since.

 

Yeah, I get that point. I never really look at music through how it affects fashion and lifestyle, though I guess through the eras there have been changes in those things that went hand in hand. In this broader perspective i always more so felt that it was the culture that inspired the music and not the other way around.... so when you say he's a huge influence on culture my first reaction was "he's an asshole! If anything hes inspiring more assholes to be assholes!"

 

That's the truth. "I Hope, I Think, I Know" remains one of my favorite songs, even if Be Here Now wasn't special at all.

 

Wait, what? Oasis >>> Blur

And Wonderwall is much less annoying than Song 2

 

No chance! Haha it's all opinion though

 

Blur has a lot of longevity, several of their albums and singles were culturally important and reflective. And they also consistently show more creative musicianship. If you listen to a Blur album start to finish you are going to be surprised by how many different styles of music they actually take on outside of the obvious pop jams that became their singles. I would say that it's a shame they never got as popular in America as Oasis did, they're one of my favorite 90s mainstream bands.

Also, random, but Good Charlotte blatantly ripped off, basically the defining vocal pattern from the hook of one of Blur's most popular singles, and used it in the hook of their most popular single ("girls who like boys who dig boys like their girls" etc) and surprisingly few people noticed. The songs even have the same name. That really tells you how little of an impact Blur had in America haha but they were huge over there in the UK (at least from the account of a British pen pal I had before he became a successful musician himself.)

 

I really like both blur and oasis! The Gallagher brothers def troll so I try to tune them out unless they go racist with it then they deserved to be dragged. They've admitted if they don't know about someone they're asked about they just make something up. Nothing they say means anything. Except when one of them made fun of Harry Styles talking so slow cause that's just true

 

Wonderwall is probably my least favorite Oasis song. That said, they're one of my favorite bands ever.

Also, I think the singer of The 1975 looks like he could be Ted Cruz's son.

 

Good call, fantastic song! Be Here Now is underrated

 

I love Ryan Adams, but I could not agree more. Truly the one blemish on an otherwise excellent album

 

Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory were two of the albums that were in the car CD player most growing up, so I've always loved them. Blur was just the "woohoo" band to me for the longest time to me, which probably isn't fair to them, but I've tried listening to their biggest albums a couple times and it never really clicked for me.

 

Parklife is great and full of surprises all the way through in my opinion. And it doesn't get too ahead of itself, it's creative and ambitious but it remains a fun album throughout with witty lyrical observations.

 

I'll give that a listen at work tomorrow!

 

Not necessarily. When I buy bread, I don't think "I need to keep the bread company in business," but if there was a certain bakery that I'd buy from, loyalty to that bakery would probably be a motivator. When I pay to see a movie, or to buy an album that I'll download onto my computer and probably never spin the physical copy of again, though, there is a level of that brand loyalty to me. I try to support the bands I follow as much financially as I can. How I see it, is that the more people who buy the album or a t-shirt, the better opportunities the band will have. They might get a better production, or more advertising for their next LP, maybe they'll get to play at a bigger venue next year, because this club show sold out, etc. I'm not saying that each person who purchases an album from the five dollar bin should be considered a shareholder in the band's name, but there's definitely a level of support and loyalty coming from those who consistently spend money on their products. You're totally right, that when you buy a CD, or concert tickets, that you're paying for the experience as an opportunity to enjoy yourself, and bands can't be expected to please everyone, because, well, that's impossible. Even though I'm probably coming off as someone who sees art as some commercial product here, and that's definitely my own doing, I'm actually much more in favor of the art over the business. One of my favorite directors is Jodorowsky and I do believe the art comes first. My issue is when someone like Tom Delonge promises four albums in one year, and then doesn't deliver on that promise. Now, I'd never expect four albums in one year, and he did at least release two, but I don't like when bands dick their audiences around. There are thousands of factors that could contribute to delays or cancellations of projects, for sure, but maybe a little better communication would help.

I kind of replied to some of this in the post above (the pleasing everybody bit, anyways), and think this is a really well thought-out post. Although I think Kanye might try to prove you wrong about an album being re-recorded thousands of millions of times to suit everone's needs with TLOP, haha, but we'll see on that one. (I actually love that album. Unpopular opinion?) My issue, once again, is when bands promise something and don't deliver upon them. There's definitely an argument that the fans haven't paid for the tentative album yet, so are they owed anything? But I think that if you promise something, or tease it, you should probably try to keep to those promises. (One of my embarrassingly favorite artists, Marilyn Manson, pulls this bullshit all the time.) I get that things fall through, or fall behind, but I don't like when I get the impression that these bands just aren't trying their hardest, and to be honest, I get that impression from plenty of bands. Even if I don't like an album, I just want to feel like the band tried their hardest to make the best album they possibly could, and with some bands that wait so long between releases, I really wonder. Now, you could say that maybe they're trying to craft the best album they can and are spending time on it. I get that, for sure, and respect that. I just don't believe that's always the case.

Anyways, I'm sorry for semi(?)-ranting or going on longer than I should for a pretty simplistic opinion. I totally get where you guys are coming from, respect your opinions, and enjoyed reading your responses. I'm not trying to argue or prove you guys "wrong," because it's just a philosophical difference that I don't think there is any right side to. I don't even know how possible it is to convert someone from one mindset to another on an issue such as this, but your replies definitely did make me think. I'm just trying to convey my perspective on it as a guy who produces and buys content.