Bad opinions [ARCHIVED] • Page 161

I'm complaining about the majority of songs. If you choose to make an interlude its own song then well, it is a song. Instead of a 11 track record, he put out a 22 track record because he made a conscious choice to have those interludes be actual songs. They aren't at the beginning or end of a track, they stand alone. Therefore they must be examined on their own. And as such, the majority of songs on the album fall flat. He can intend it to be consumed however he wants, that is completely irrelevant to how I consume it. But even so, shuffling through an album means it works on an individual level. These songs, largely, do not, because they are tied to the context of an album that only really works if you take 75 minutes out of your life to consume it. And frankly, if you're making an album that only works like that and saying anyone who does different is wrong, then you're just a bad fucking artist haha. Though Sufjan doesn't actually say that so thankfully that doesn't apply.

If you can take something out and nothing changes, then it is not necessary. You can take out almost all of those interludes and the aesthetic is the same and thematically it works just as well.

 

You have the worst view on interlude tracks I've ever seen in my life

 

I may not "have an attention span" but at least I can read and don't talk out of my ass.

 

If you put an album on shuffle you're a fascist

 

That they should be individually great and not only contribute to an aesthetic that every other song also contributes to? Like, I don't like some interludes on one album, let's cut the dramatics here haha.

 

The songs are just as strong outside the context of the album as they are inside it. I can throw on "Casimir Pulaski Day" or "John Wayne Gacy, Jr." or any of the other songs on the album and they're still wonderful songs. If I listen to the album all the way through, again, they're still great songs and the whole thing comes together really nicely.

 

i have never listened to a metallica album in my life

 

You're still acting like 10/75 minutes ruins the other 65. You can't just say "half the songs" and act like you're talking about more than a small portion of the record, that's just a flimsy way to frame this argument. Sufjan wouldn't call "one last whoo hoo" a "song" or put it on a set list so why are you holding that 10 second little thing to a high standard? Just because the producer (not even sufjan) divided it into its own track?

It just sounds like you want Illinoise to be an instant gratification record and it isnt, but just because music requires patience doesn't mean that's a "bad artist" because you can't pick a random song out of 22 and expect it to match the high points or flow of the entire record.

Your impatience as a listener does not diminish Sufjans ability to inspire and amaze tons of.other people with the same album.

 

I do it if I have like 20 minutes to listen to music. But if you have enough time to listen to the whole album and you still choose to put it on shuffle, yes, you're the worst.

 

Back to the "I can read" thing...

 

Man, more judging how people listen to music. I would never put an album on shuffle either, but who the fuck cares if someone does?

 

Calm down there, champ No need to get upset! If songs work together in the context of an album, it's usually because, y'know, they're good songs. If you listen to albums like Illinois on shuffle then of course you're not going to get the full impact because it was intended to be listened to all at once and works best that way, but still, I think the majority of the tracks are more than capable of being listened to individually.

 

opinions, bro!

nah i don't care at all what other people do, i just don't really understand it.

 

Okay, well that's just an absurd strawman lol. At no point at all did I say that. I said if you're going to be dogmatic about how your music is interpreted and say that any other contributions is wrong, then you're a bad artist.

I do not like the record. It is not impatience, I do not like it. Also, what does it matter if it amazes other people? Am I talking about other people or my own opinion?

 

I'm not upset? I'm pointing out the fact that while you were trying to be clever, you clearly ignored what I had actually said.

 

You can't read either apparently...

so that includes ""The Black Hawk War...", ""Out of Egypt...", etc

 

It's really difficult for some of you when someone doesn't like something you like, huh?

 

You contradict yourself too much for your posts to make sense. I'm not "trying to be clever", I'm stating my opinion just as you are.

 

I say impatience because of the nature of your opinion not just the fact you don't like it. Your reason for not liking a 75 minute record is, "the actual songs are great but there's too many 30-second transitions." I feel like that needs no further explanation, I mean how does that equate to disliking the entire record rather than just skipping the 30 second tracks of randomness if they bother you that much? If there's 11, 12, 13 good songs and it's really not much longer of a record than those songs, doesn't that just mean it's a very solid record with a few short low points?

 

Oh my god you're the worst

 

yes, I judge people who do whack shit, who cares. Stop judging me for judging people!!!!!

 

this is a thread to argue about music man what the fuck

 

I'm not allowed to think things are whack!!!! Too judge mental!!!!

 

Wait, listening to albums not all the way through in considered controversial? I'm baffled as to how I should consume music now. Do I need to get a job farther away, take longer cleaning my house, etc... Plus, some albums just have bad songs.

 

Hahaha I mean I don't have a problem with shuffle

But Illinoise is not a shuffle kind of album. And it feels like undue criticism to hold that against the record just because a couple of the tracks aren't full.songs.