Baby Driver (Edgar Wright, 2017) Movie • Page 13

Okay, but that's still subjective lol. What "works best" is subjective. You are saying it's not. You're saying we know for a fact what the best is.

 

You must not be familiar with him.

 

I am.

 

No idea how you get from "ok, good luck" ... to belittle.

What you're saying is that human nature should change and people are wrong for wanting something they want. What I'm saying is human nature exists, we should use the best information at our disposal to give the vast majority of people what they want.

 

No, what works best is not subjective. It's literally what works best. We have the data on what works best! Netflix, YouTube, Google, Facebook, etc. ... we have billions upon billions of data points on this. We know what the best system for people is.

 

Thumbs up/thumbs down is essentially what Rotten Tomatoes is, and that is what is being criticized. A number system is slightly better, but still bad. All of these things eliminate nuance and interpretation from criticism and are one of the problems in criticism.

 

And we're saying we should use what logically makes sense. Thumbs up says nothing. xXx is a thumbs up. There Will Be Blood is a thumbs up. No differentiation is made whatsoever.

 

You're being obtuse and twisting his words to fit what you think he intended and it's clear as day.

You're doing the same to me. Human nature? Wtf are you going on about? Get real.

 

I'm saying, again, that people want easy to digest information ... you think that's bad and think everyone should read long critiques. I'm saying you need to change the human nature to get there.

 

I'm not telling anyone to change what they want to do. I've literally said do what you want.

I'm saying that for me, ratings systems are stupid and I don't use them.

 

And, again, when someone is looking for "what to rent tonight" ... that's what they want. A summary of the movie, and if it's worth watching or not. If others want the differentiation it's also available for those specific people in longer form. But most people don't. In fact, people don't even want to know/read/find anything, they just wanna be given something they'll like ... and in a few years algorithms and machines will be able to pick that with extreme accuracy. It'll happen with music, movies, and most entertainment.

 

I just don't get what's not getting through here. We aren't saying that's not what they want. Literally we aren't. At most we are challenging your hilarious notion that there's an objective form of critiquing. But whatever. We are questioning how EFFECTIVE it is. Even if it's what people want, it doesn't make it effective. That's been the entire discussion. Not "do people want this" but "are people getting the most out of it". Two completely different things. You can look back a few pages and see that that was the subject. Just look for when the condescension started and read back from there.

 

These are the same movie. Don't @ me.

 

I never said that. What the fuck are you talking about?

Yes, it does. We literally have the data on how effective it is! The effectiveness is what is being measured in massive data tests every single day.

 

It seems pretty obvious that it is what people want. That has already been brought up by the fact that people cite it all the time. The conversation is about whether or not that is a good tool to use.

 

Who do I report to when it's you being the troll?

 

What is trolling about pointing out we have the research and data science on something that you pretend we don't? Or pointing out you're putting words in my mouth I never said?

 

Statement 1: I never once said there's an objective form to this.
Statement 2: There is an objective form to this.

 

I mean, I get it, you were dead wrong about what the Netflix algorithms were doing, so you haven't been looking at the research we have on these things ... but why double down?

 

What is effective and helpful in communicating information to someone about what they'll like != a critique is objective.

 

I don't even know why I bother trying to talk to you, man. Get off your high horse.

 

My contribution

 

Not gonna lie, I was smiling at this before it had even loaded down to his head. Knew what it was immediately.

 

This is where we're at now ... someone pointing out the information that we have, the data science behind certain systems, the facts of where machine learning is taking us in terms of recommendations and so forth, and countless research into various rating systems with billions of data points as to what works best for all involved ... and someone telling them to get off their high horse. Awesome.

 

If you ignore my last dozen comments or so, sure.