Avengers 4: Endgame (Joe & Anthony Russo April 26, 2019) Movie • Page 102

Why is the domestic so high for SW?

 

Eh no less so than most blockbusters

 

There are multiple movies off the top of my head that are similar stories to Avatar and I don’t get why it’s the only one that gets shit for it, haha

Tons of blockbusters are cookie cutter across the board.

 

Because Avatar's the only one that is #1, when you're #1 you're gonna draw more attention on yourself

I'm not the biggest fan of Avatar, it's fine but kind of whatever to me, but man if the Pandora world and Flight of Passage ride at Disneyworld isn't the coolest shit ever. Totally makes Avatar worth being a thing.

 

At least the Russo brothers added to the source material and switch things up for a fresh experience. I left Avatar with a headache and a pretty lackluster impression. Couldn’t name one character today from it. Laughed at plenty of dialogue.

Also why not root for a new bar raiser? Especially if you like the movie, there should always be room for a new #1 if the quality and interest is there.

 

The one main point I’m forgetting too is that Avatar reinvigorated the 3D movement in film and caused the boom in demand for it. Which is also why so many went to check it out. I feel like it was definitely the first I ever saw advertised in IMAX/3D/RPX

 

A movie being number one doesn't really mean anything. It's not going to make other movies better, and in fact usually makes them worse (the 3D explosion after Avatar was largely forgettable, and similarly I think studios attempting to emulate the financial success of the MCU with shared universes have been pretty bad)

 

Doesn’t inflation render all of it moot, though?

 

We adjust for inflation, neither Avatar or Endgame even come close to touching Gone With The Wind

 

Yeah but through inflation Gone by the Wind has been #1 since the ‘30s.

 

really really liked this, but how did cap get to grow old in the prime reality? betrays everything else the film established about time travel

 

He just had to be back at that location, to meet Sam and Banner, when the time came in the future after he lived his life out with Peggy. He dropped off the stones, as well as Moljnir, but left himself there to relive his life. The rules of their time travel was that his future self’s memories weren’t erased, so that’s how he knew where to be not to mess up the timeline.

 

I thought the Russos confirmed that he made another jump back to this timeline

 

I've only seen it once but IIRC, they only said that removing something from a past timeline would create a separate timeline offshoot, not 'adding' something, in this case a person.

 

I think someone else said something along these lines: just as there were two Nebulas, there are two Steves, one that was iced and one living in hiding until the right moment. Maybe in the prime timeline that was always the case and it wasn't revealed until now. Older Steve doesn't do anything to change the timeline, so it remains the same when Younger Steve lives it. idk how exactly this works since the Agent Carter show is a thing.

 

this makes the most sense. but the previously established expectation was you jump back after you left

could've had old cap appear on the jump portal and ending would've been just as impactful but then also stayed consistent with the rest of the film

 

i feel like if prime peggy got to live out her life with Steve 2, it dramatically undercuts the significance of the scene where Cap gets to meet her on her deathbed

 

Iirc she and Jarvis were really into each other by the end of the show.

 

Also Im not sure on this but my second watch it almost sounded like she stated that It was specifically removing an Infinity Stone that created the alternate timeline.

 

Yeah it only removing infinity stones that created branches

 

no any move to the past creates branches that is why they had to do the heist and couldnt just go back and kill thanos

 

No, the infinity stones are the only objects powerful enough to create a branch. They are holding reality together, you remove one, a new branch is created unless you go back and replace said stone

 

Honestly trying to figure out the whole time travel aspect is such a fun aspect of this movie! It’s a fun little puzzle that you can interpret in different ways for it to make sense for you. You can easily poke holes into all of this just like all time travel and all fantasy. It’s a shame people are conditioned now to find plot holes and if it doesn’t make sense then it’s “bad”.

They definitely did enough to make it work for their story and if anything did way better with it than any other time travel movie I’ve seen. If Back to the Future doesn’t bother you, then this shouldn’t either

 

They explicitly say that going back in time doesn't change the present/future. Something along the lines of "When you go into the past, that past becomes your new future, and the present you came from becomes your past. And your past can't be changed by your new future"