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Accountability in Music • Page 990

Discussion in 'Music Forum' started by OhTheWater, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. Surfwax

    bring on the major leagues Supporter

    I had a lot more sympathy for the Kevin devines of the world when I just thought he was staying friends with his friend who had fucked up. It’s harder to square him turning a blind eye and thus actively allowing it to happen.
     
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  2. HarmonyinC

    Newbie

    Surprisingly, the hardcore subreddit is behaving well about this. Far better than the other music subs I’ve seen so far.
     
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  3. Dinkleberg

    go birds Prestigious

    Chilling, deeply unsettling stuff
     
  4. Freud

    Immortals with no morals, and no hang ups Prestigious

    Came to post myself. And the couple of random dipshits are getting downvoted contrary to elsewhere which is super refreshing. Ugh everywhere else is super disgusting.
     
  5. HarmonyinC

    Newbie


    It’s funny because that sub is often extremely stupid but enough of them seemingly at least have a bit of the hardcore ethics still. They’ll still call things “gay” as an insult, but will also tell racists and abusers they shouldn’t be welcome at show. What duality, lol.
     
  6. maktmij

    Newbie

    As cynical as it is to say... it's probably just because hardcore fans don't like Brand New's music, which was never hardcore to begin with. If it were a band that was equally revered in their community, I don't think they'd be saying the same things.
     
  7. ezmo311

    Regular Supporter

    Being so engaged in the Myspace era and working shows in the early 2000s, tbh I'm surprised more bands from that time haven't had more allegations against them.

    I'm pretty thankful I was never that big into BN, because I know so many people in this community had such a strong connection with the band.

    He was never on a pedostal for me.
     
  8. Maddy

    Trusted

    so true I legit watched it happen like in real time with another band that’s got a lot of positive vibes on this sub….invite girls on to the tour bus and her bragging about performing favors when she came off the bus…definitely was not an uncommon thing in the early 00s
     
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  9. elfpaw

    Newbie

    more common than uncommon tbh. I never had any direct experiences but I felt like most bands that were in the scene ended up creeping on/flirting with/sleeping with my hotter friends when they were teens
     
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  10. I think there’s a worthwhile theme developing as a minor sub-headline to all of this about the assumptions we make of people we don’t know because of the politics or charitable endeavors they put out into the world. It sucks and is disappointing, but it’s a worthwhile reminder that a lot of that stuff can be earnest and heartfelt and a lot of it can be performative and narrative shaping and isn’t always a great reason to doubt a victim or an accusation because someone “doesn’t seem that way.”

    Not directed at anyone here in particular, just a small theme I’ve picked up on along the way.
     
  11. bigstupidjellyfish

    Regular

    Read the article. Fuck this dude, fuck the band, fuck the defenders. Insane bit to run OPSEC for an emo band like this. If I put that in a novel people would go "c'mon man that's not realistic."

    Second, this has reminded me of something that I haven't thought about in years, but I need some help. Does anyone know if Jesse ever spent time around Lafayette Louisiana around the mid 2010s? This girl that used to follow me on insta (I never followed her back and I just checked and her account is either deleted or she stopped following me) had posted a video from her 16th(?) birthday party in which her favorite singer showed up to surprise her. There were also other posts about him being a mentor to her as a musician. In the video, he was a pretty plain looking white dude who was in a "popular" band and did solo stuff and wasn't local to the area. I remember thinking that was a little weird at the time but moved on. I was like 19-20 at the time and I didn't know this girl (who was a few years younger than me), why butt into her business?

    In all likelihood, this guy I'm talking about probably isn't Jesse. Maybe this random singer did have an innocent mentor relationship with this girl. But basically every story I've seen about this man has been from the 2000s and now I'm worried that there's far more than those that we don't know about.
     
  12. bigstupidjellyfish

    Regular

    I know a bunch of em still fuck with Bane and that vocalist is a Weirdo.
     
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  13. Maddy

    Trusted

    should also remind to say not just this scene but musicians really in general
     
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  14. Michael Belt

    metadata incarnate Supporter

    i remember a similar narrative happening when someone came forward about Noah Gundersen. she specifically said she wasn't looking to "cancel" him, but to remind people that anyone - no matter how nice or morally upstanding they may be - is capable of that kind of harm, and that it's probably far more common than we imagine.

    that's why i have doubts about bands declining to open for BN because of "optics". we don't know these people personally, and their publicly-stated morals might not have a bearing on their private actions/thoughts, or what they might eventually do in a public-facing manner.
     
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  15. ImAMetaphor

    one with the riverbed Prestigious

    i also think people like jesse do a whole lot of lying to themselves. so, they might genuinely have all the right things politics and attitudes about the world but still find ways to deny their own culpability in harming others. lots of cognitive dissonance im sure.
     
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  16. elfpaw

    Newbie

    it’s true, but I think this genre/scene in particular had the overlap of 1) emerging during the early wild wild west internet culture and 2) being a genre that highly appealed to young women, and that combo made it a real breeding ground.
     
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  17. Kevin360

    Someday I’ll find me Prestigious

    I know I haven’t joined the chorus FUCK BRAND NEW in here as clearly as I should have been. But, FUCK BRAND NEW.

    My inner conflict was completely based on nostalgia and want to that type of connection to music again. I’m thankful that I haven’t really listened to them in the last 8 years, apart from curiously seeing what these new shows were like in the past month. My discomfort and conflict was nothing compared to what his victims are feeling. I said to myself and to another friend who used to love Brand New, that I will never get the answer as to Jesse’s potential amends toward his victims, and that was enough for me not to go to a show or give them any more of my money.

    I was wrong. This article, her courage to speak up and speak out (all of his victims have courage too), is the answer.

    And I repeat: FUCK BRAND NEW.
     
  18. David87

    Prestigious Prestigious

    Yyyyep. Iirc he’s been pretty big on lgbtq stuff for a while since his late son was trans, and obviously there were some allusions to a dislike for the Christian Right in lyrics past and on SciFi. It’s extremely frustrating when people like that can see how the way the world treats a certain group is fucked up but then can’t hold themselves accountable when they do something personally.
     
  19. Kevin360

    Someday I’ll find me Prestigious

    This is part of my connection and internal vague (1% of me) attempt to justify listening to them. As someone who has gone through significant deconstruction over the last decade, that has increased in speed exponentially over the last few years, it’s been hard to emotionally let go of my connection to some of those songs.

    Thankfully I’ve been leaning into other music, and other types of media, that have helped to stay away from this shit.
     
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  20. JordanTheGirl420420

    Regular

    The metalcore screamo bands of 2006-2010 (the ones with the obnoxious T-shirts… you know exactly what I mean) were some of the worst culprits. It’s a tough topic but some very vile dudes were in those bands. Thankfully majority of them are long broken up.
     
  21. digitalsea

    hate my favorite band

    I'm still wondering how tf Craig Owens is still unscathed because my experience with my female friend when we were 15 was tame compared to shit I've heard.
     
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  22. xapplexpiex

    sup? Supporter

    The stuff I’ve heard about him is mostly along the lines of him “being a creep”. Are there any articles, posts, or stories you can link? I don’t remember any news about him.
     
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  23. digitalsea

    hate my favorite band

    Nothing I could source, just stuff I've heard over the years. But I think a couple other people mentioned their own stories in the Chiodos thread recently, where I also mentioned my story. My story is him being very much a creep to 15 year old girl, but I hope it stayed there because I was there when she met him.
     
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  24. AP_Punk

    Regular Supporter

    what a coincidence that the Mission Ballroom in Denver is disabling comments on social media posts promoting Brand New's 2 night performance there in June. fuck all these scumbags.
     
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  25. we determined it was all, or almost all, venues that disabled comments, probably as part of the agreement for the tour. AEG still has a few posts without comments disabled that I've been annoying in and I emailed Mission Ballroom with the original pitchfork article and the new one asking if they'll cancel the show or at least not make it all ages given what he's done. I don't expect a response or them to do anything, but I'm gonna be annoying about it.