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Accountability in Music • Page 98

Discussion in 'Music Forum' started by OhTheWater, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. OhTheWater

    Let it run Supporter

    For reference, it's the same blog that had been talking about Weinstein, Spacey, Brian Singer, NXIVM etc. for years. They post a ton of horrible garbage but when something is posted about abuse I tend to take it pretty seriously. Sure, we can wait and see but I believe it.
     
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  2. OhTheWater

    Let it run Supporter

    I don't really understand the mindset of questioning the post. People are consistently doing it with "anonymous tumblrs" or whatever. The Antwon news was out there for over half a year before it was legitimized. When people see something like that, I suggest they post it and we can make up our minds in terms of how valid it is/if it will blow up. I don't see what the harm is, especially if I prefaced the post with "grain of salt"
     
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  3. OhTheWater

    Let it run Supporter

    I mean christ, the Louis CK news was posted as a "blind item" years before it was released and everyone played the "wait and see" game and his career continued to skyrocket. Jay Z and Beyonce are about to headline a massive tour. Being cynical about the way news gets out, I'm going to assume they're going to hold that info until right before the dates. Just like the CK news dropped right before the I Love You Daddy press junket. That's unfortunately how it goes.

    I get what you're saying and I'm sure more will eventually come out, but I don't really see the point in waiting if the site has proven itself to be at the very least pretty accurate when it comes to outing abusers.
     
  4. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

    yeah, i'd personally much rather post the rumors and let everyone make decisions on how much they trust it than just assume they aren't credible
     
  5. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    Jay was like 30/31 and Bey was like 19 when they met so Jay being shitty wouldn't be surprising
     
  6. OhTheWater

    Let it run Supporter

  7. SamLevi11

    Prestigious Prestigious

    So i only just got around to reading the police report on the Chris Brown/Rihanna incident and I cannot fucking believe people still back this guy.
     
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  8. Kiana

    Goddamn, man child Prestigious

    I see both sides to the blind item thing. I read them because I'm gossip trash, and I know a lot of ppl who hate certain celebs based on blind items that are very vague and it can almost be conspiracy theoryish at times with these massive guessing games and a lot of names get dragged in. It can get suuuper messy. A lot of them have also been proven true so i often read them and file the info in the back of my mind/keep the info in mind but I don't necessarily blame someone who doesn't give them much weight either idk
     
  9. Anthony_

    A (Cancelled) Dork Prestigious

    It's tough to work out how to feel about the concept of someone "teasing" a victim or victims coming forward like that. It's kind of adjacent to someone telling a victim's story without express permission, which I am 100% against. Not saying that's actually what's happening here, just that I don't usually like to put stock into third-party accounts that don't expressly state they are speaking with the victim(s) permission. On the other hand, it's good to know that there are whispers or things going around because it encourages investigation but I don't personally know how to feel about them, I guess.
     
  10. just got the email that cerce & i kill giants are still playing the boston date without old gray, i'm so pumped
     
  11. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

    yeah, those were announced friday, local support too. curious to see who plays each of the shows
     
  12. I Kill Giants is still a band????? I'm currently wearing a shirt I got at their "last show" at some random guy's house in like 2012
     
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  13. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

    they reunited for this old gray tour
    which, like...yeah

    but the members are all in other v cool bands
     
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  14. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

  15. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

    "Spotify’s new policy is heartening, but it obscures a deeper problem in contemporary media consumption. Streaming services, like the rest of the internet, relentlessly individuate. They pose music listening not as a communal activity but as a personal habit that can be algorithmically accommodated based on user input. Spotify builds individuation into the very language of its service. Its algorithmically generated Discover Weekly playlist is full of “new discoveries and deep cuts chosen just for you.” Its Daily Mixes invite the user to “play the music you love, without the effort.” By reifying the notion that music listening should be both highly individual and also effortless, Spotify depletes the user’s agency, asking listeners to exchange the social aspects of music for convenience.

    The ease and individuality promised by Spotify distorts music’s function as a form of communication. No music is ever made just for you. A song is, at its core, a link between artist and listener, and a fan base is by nature a community of people. That fans of a given artist have a social responsibility toward each other is a point often eschewed in favor of promoting individual boycotts and championing ethical media consumption. And yet loving music is not the same as loving a particular brand of soda water. What sticks out in my mind as I think back over the musicians accused of assault in the past year is how many of their alleged victims were fans of their music. Fans collectively gave these artists power, and they used that power, allegedly, to abuse individual fans.

    It is easy to feel helpless in the wake of rape accusations against celebrities. It is easy, also, to delete the music of an accused rapist from an iTunes library and consider the work done. What is harder is to take responsibility for the power with which a fan base endows an artist — financial power from streams and concert tickets, but also social power from admiration and word-of-mouth promotion. When new allegations come to light (and they will, abundantly), I hope listeners who loved the accused’s music recognize their part in the power dynamics at play, and their subsequent responsibility. I hope those who love music will not rely on corporations like Spotify alone to make decisions about artists whose abuse has been enabled by their fame. Despite what Spotify’s branding may suggest, fans are a collective force. Individually, there is little we can affect. Together, we have something like power."
     
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  17. Kiana

    Goddamn, man child Prestigious

    I'm sorry but this is why I am not okay with the accused filing lawsuits against accusers, even in cases like conor oberst. This is so messed up and awful. I can't even imagine being a survivor and having to deal with this in such a public way, and with an artist who continues to receive a ton of support despite what they've done to you.
     
  18. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

    wasn't he already given new charges in the case for intimidating victims?????

    something seems off here...
     
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  19. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

    oh, and this is actually a different charge from the main assault charges as well
     
  20. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

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  21. vidiviciveni

    Trusted

    What are the thoughts on that
     
  22. stars143

    Trusted

    "My life dissolved before my very eyes because of a single tweet. This type of reckless accusation undermines real sexual assault victims in their pursuit of justice. Therefore, it is with great care and awareness that I share my story. All I ask is that you take a moment to examine the facts." <-- key part right there. Anyone making false accusations does a disservice to genuine victims. I'll be interested to hear an update if/when it goes to court.
     
  23. Arry May 16, 2018
    (Last edited: May 16, 2018)
    Arry

    it was all a dream Prestigious

    da faq... i mean, a lot of assholes take their victims to court to bully them and intimidate them. this is another case. i just see no reason why to lie about something so violating like this.



     
  24. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

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  25. Meghin

    Uhhhhhhhhhh... Supporter