Accountability in Music • Page 83

I can confirm it's not him. I've spoken to the user via PM, and know who it is, and they've agreed to take some time away from the website for a while on their regular account and I'm banning this second account.

This is why these kinds of things (and all the likes on this post and the follow up post) are really uncool. You and a few other people just now called out someone for something they didn't do.

 

Well said. I have heard from multiple people saying things like this over the past few days.

 

Lol we both said something and people just kept going y'all are wild

 

Wait, is there a difference in the way rap music and rock music industries operate? I don't really know anything about either, but apparently it's wildly different because we're holding both to completely different standards?

Also this thread is a trainwreck and everybody really lacks self awareness and should really take a good hard look at themselves.

 

Labels definitely force collaborations that artists don't necessarily want to do pretty often in rap. Kanye definitely isn't the kind of artist being bossed around by a label though.

 

rap music labels have been promoting the use of misogynistic lyrics and not caring about abuse for so long and it's become part of the persona to a degree, in which new young rappers see this and are influenced by it and continue that. it's a societal problem within the rap music scene, one which will only change when labels actually tell rappers "no, you can't say that" or drop people who are abusive or things like that. it's a culture problem, in which a lot of young black kids are being influenced by people who were taken advantage of

 

oh alright, I didn't know that, thanks! But yeah I think it's pretty clear Kanye would be choosing his collabs himself at this point

 

I've seen literally almost everyone in here subscribe to the "enjoy what you want in private" mentality in the past. Listen to what you want. But public support/association comes with consequences, as all exercises of free speech do. So accusing people of being "bullies" for calling out bad artists is not productive. If you have an artist to call out, call them out too. Raise awareness. It's a good thing.

But, and I've said this several times in several threads across the site though, but it's worth remembering: If someone calling out an artist you privately support makes you feel bad then you should re-evaluate whether that artist is really worth your support, whether you're really comfortable supporting that artist, rather than freaking out and pushing that anger onto other people. Just seems like a lot of projecting to me, idk.

 

yeah Kanye definitely chose to work with Chris Brown and promote Tyga and that's incredibly upsetting

 

Yeah it's pretty easy to tell what features are A&R bate. When a brand new rapper no one knows has a Weeknd or Future feature out of nowhere you know that was a label decision

 

I do wonder how much of the Tyga thing was because he (Tyga) was dating Kylie at the time because since then they haven't done anything together or been near each other

 

sometimes people do re-evaluate and the conclusion of the re-evaluation remains unchanged, yet the bad feelings still remain. sometimes users here will post in a very authoritative way that in itself causes other people to feel bad, rather than some underlying projection of unresolved guilt.

I know there is a whole thing about how yr hurt feelings aren't more important than [insert actual important issues], but while we're on the topic of hurt feelings, it's important to not make assumptions

(for the record, I have not personally experienced this category of hurt feelings, just extrapolating)

 

You can make the same argument about the entire music industry. Example: A band that invites a shitty person to a concert and that person is then on stage and photographed, and another band at that show doesn't call them out and ask them to leave ... we understand that is an issue and there is a level of responsibility if you know an abuser is in a room to not just pretend you don't and let it pass. And I think there's a level of individual responsibility we can't overlook while also understanding we need to start at the institutional level as well. I can't listen to "Waves" without feeling sick in my stomach, and I also think it's a really good song. And I think a label getting Travis to work with XXXention is really gross (and I have been told that was a label/friend of a friend/$ situation) too. But I can understand why someone that's only a Blink fan doesn't understand why they got called some names, to some degree, in the Blink thread over a cop shirt post or Travis ... and then not understand how that same person talking to them is, in their view, dismissing/excusing something like Chris Brown. I think we need to try and understand where that discussion/feeling is coming from because it's definitely at the heart of these issues. And I don't think there's going to be a way anyone can rationalize the discussion to someone else if they've already felt attacked, they then feel the need to attack back. Or, at least this is what it appears to me at the moment from reading between a bunch of lines both overt and transparent.

 

Don't know what to say then. I can't listen to the artists who give me bad feelings anymore after that. I literally erase them from all my devices and forget about them. I want to feel good when I listen to music, both about the songs and about the artists who play them.

 

Tbh I don't know anybody who doesn't have artist/s they love who have problematic histories. I mentioned fall out boy earlier as being one of mine. I think it's important to be self aware of the fact and call stuff out on the reg And not try to justify stuff cause ur a fan, but I don't have all the answers for how to navigate it all and I don't think anyone does. We just have to try our best idk. That's my non useful sunshine and rainbows response.


And features are weird. In pop at least I feel like it's often done cause they share a label or manager, like with Britney appearing on Miley's Bangerz and both having Larry Rudolph for a manager isn't coincidence. And I will almost bet my life that Britney had no idea who iggy azalea was when they collabed but maybe that's just wishful thinking lol

 

I had forgotten this part "I think that uh, I think [Tyga] got in early. I think he was smart."
Kanye West Confirms Tyga Is Dating Kylie Jenner: "He Got In Early"

I do think it was because of the Kylie connection but Tyga also definitely groomed Kylie

 

yeah, i do agree with this.

 

Some people can listen to artists who they know have done wrong and don't agree with and that's okay. I don't like when people who do that try and convince other people why they should be listening to artists they don't want to listen to though. Something I've probably done before but try not to. I can still listen to kanye but I'm not gonna try and convince Jason that he should listen to kanye you know? I don't think that would be productive in any way

 

honestly this might sound weird but watching keeping up with the kardashians so much has skewed my view on a lot of this lol. the way it's all portrayed is weird. i honestly hate that show but can't stop watching it

 

That show is ridic. U don't know what's reality or not and everything has a purpose or spin and ur sucked into a weird vortex of fiction that u kinda start believing a lil bit lol

 

exactly and i cant fucking stop

 

im birdman

 

I totally disagree with this, the issues should be tackled from the bottom. Labels are pushing abusive artists because they have fans, if fans actively rejected abusers the labels would drop them instantly because they'd be losing money trying to promote an abuser.

Its a whole fucked up system, but the fans becoming accepting of abuse is where its allowed to continue. If labels didn't tolerate abuse, abusers would be making money directly from fans independently. A greater understanding of what these artists have done, and refusal to accept it as normal, from the level of fans all the way to decision makers is needed, and it starts with the fans.

 

Yeah, I think that's why some of the language when people have come hard at others for listening to music from a band or artist, or posting in a thread about a band, I think has caused some of these issues ... for example, when someone sees someone getting torn down by a group of people and all the posts are being liked by others, but then those same people appear to be silent in other situations I get why there's some anger or confusion there.

Because that post from Anthony above, is a sentiment I've seen in other threads:

And I think, from what I get from talking to some people privately, where the confusion comes from is why a group of people will (again, as it appears to the people in question) 'gang up' on some and dish out these "consequences" ... but at other times be completely quiet if it's their friend/buddy group on the website. That the long call out posts about (using their words) shame and how bad you should feel for even talking about listening to an artist that's been accused of something bad, or the bunch of likes on someone talking about a problematic artist, don't come in those cases. And, to them, they feel like a double standard is being applied because of friendships to some of the more prominent posters or they've been made to feel bad for listening or talking about something and then they those people are joking around with others doing, what appear to be, similar things and think it's personal.

 

oh, by top to bottom i mean artists and labels. wasn't really considering fans in there too. obviously the fans should be making judgments, that might be the only way to make the labels look for different things.

again, fuck capitalism