Accountability in Music • Page 75

Depending on the forum, mostly about making it easy for a new visitor to find a place to post (ie. the generalized chat thread) and the forum policy/guidance post full of rules/code of conduct/information on how to post in that forum/links to common threads/prefixes. The music forum also contains a few threads that, historically, would be re-made every few days by a new poster.

Beside that, common topics should remain, naturally, at the top of a forum because they're common.

 

Just seems to me like this is the kind of thread that is a "common topic." In addition, new users to the site should be encouraged to know what's going on in here, and having it at the top of the list maybe encourages people to click through and learn about these issues more so than if it's just in among all the other threads. Whether it was the intention or not, the pin signifies that a given thread is something that should always be at the top of the list and not subject to ebbs and flows in activity. If that doesn't at least suggest a certain level of importance, then I guess I'm completely off-base here. And this applies equally to the Accountability in Entertainment thread as well over in that forum.

This is as opposed to, say, the "I can't find a song/album/artist! Help!" thread that has 108 posts and hasn't been bumped in over a month. In fact, this thread has more posts than any of the other pinned non-guidelines threads.

 

Agreed, Anthony. Having it pinned allows for new users (and users who just occasionally visit) to see what is happening in the music scene and encourages healthy discussion about a serious and important topic.

With problems being so prevalent as of late, I’d certainly consider it a common topic that should be made for easy viewing.

 

Which is why it's in the common threads section. The sentence above, ("Beside that, common topics should remain at the top of a forum because they're common.") is saying that they're stay at the top because they get posts. Not because they're pinned. It's the natural way common topics stay at the top of a forum.

I can't believe this is the argument people are deciding they want to get into today.

Which means, it'll stay at the top of the forum.

 

Sorry that we care and want this thread to have high visibility, our bad

 

It's not an argument, it's a genuine concern from a user of your website that I'm trying to voice in a respectful way. And also, to be completely frank, adding an additional step (clicking through to the guidelines) just to impart the knowledge that this is a "common thread" doesn't help the visibility of this thread, it hurts it. If anything, this is an "uncommon thread." I think it needs as much visibility as possible and to not fall below other threads, especially threads for problematic artists. Next time Neck Deep or Moose Blood does anything, I know I for one wouldn't want the Accountability thread to be lower than either of their threads, not even for a minute. But that's just me.

 

Get the fuck out of here with this bad faith bullshit, it's so ridiculously condescending it makes me actively angry that this is the tact you think is beneficial or helpful at all.

 

can everyone take a step back and reflect on the fact this is an argument over whether a forum thread should be stickied. this is a parody

 

You're the one that's acting condescending and acting like we're idiots for thinking that having this thread pinned isn't helpful

 

It's an argument. This is where you've decided to spend your morning. Picking this fight.

Which is why people will probably click it when it's at the top of a thread list because it has a new post in it.

Based on the numbers and posts per day — no it's not.

Why? Those people aren't checking this thread. Most of the discussion about those artists should take place in those respective threads to begin with.

 

It literally doesn’t matter whether the thread is pinned or not. The people who actually care enough will use it.

 

Not remotely what I said.

 

This is silly

 

On the contrary, those threads (I don’t support MB, used to) are full of people sparking the accountability discussions that belong in this thread.

 

All I did was voice a concern I had. I'm not trying to fight about it. I saw the thread was unpinned, came in, and said my piece. I didn't quote anybody and directed my comments in a general manner.

My only point is just that if even one person clicked into this thread and learned something while it was pinned that would not otherwise have done so, then it's worth having it pinned in my opinion. I know I've learned a ton personally based on reading discussion in this thread. Ultimately, I don't understand the rationale behind wanting to give less visibility to the Accountability thread, that's all.

Also my comment about this being an "uncommon thread" was about subject matter, not activity, and I know you know that.

 

If I'm reading this right, I disagree completely. I believe the discussions about those bands, by and large, should take place in the threads about those bands and albums. I think this thread is much better served, as originally intended, as a place to share new allegations for bands that don't have threads or generalized topics about issues in the music scene (like this), generalized and specific discussion of what accountability means to the members posting in the thread, coping methods, handling problematic art, talking about strategies for justice, therapy, and so forth.

Taking those discussions about specific artists away from the specific thread about those artists I think is counter-productive. It doesn't do a new Moose Blood fan any good if the only place anyone is talking about what happened with them is somewhere in this thread.

 

i will say that this thread should be about more generalizable topics as opposed to things specific to one band's allegations and statements

 

I've completely stopped listening to Pinegrove since his statement and the situation. I listened to the Jeff Rosenstock album when it came out and still semi-regularly listen to BTMI, but haven't come back to the new album in a little bit. I swore off IIOI and haven't listened to an album in full since the information came out, but I'm slowly coming back to him (aka I'm not skipping the songs when they come on shuffle). no idea how I'll react when he has a new album.

the way I look at these situations is that I privately listen to these artists when I get more comfortable with doing so. both jeff and IIOI have meant so much for me over the past six years or so that it's extremely hard for me to push past all of that, but I'm not going to publicly endorse them or post about them on social media. I think this is the course of action a lot of people decided to take when Brand New came out. I don't know if I'm exactly doing the ever-ambiguous "right thing," but it's what I've decided to.

 

That was the initial intention when I made the entertainment one

 

Perhaps I’ve been using the thread wrong, then. I guess it makes more sense in that case.

 

I called out State Champs in the new thread and was ignored

Smh

 

tumblr justice, baby!

 

I thought that was just a stupid comment. I disagree with it, not really something I would stop listening over though.

 

I mean, people don't HAVE to respond to your message, and even if they don't, it doesn't mean they haven't registered it.

I don't even know what connection they had to JJR, but I assumed it was simply a Pure Noise Records thing.