Accountability in Music • Page 63

Not sure where else to put this, so I'm throwing it in here:

Record labels and bands should pay me to handle their "crisis management" cause they're all bad at it. These statements they release, or worse, the silence, is stuff I can't believe gets overlooked. Easy wins with fans. Easy wins with doing the right thing. Easy PR wins. I can get 6 billion press releases about every song/tour/video in the world in all kinds of fancy templates, but when it comes time to say something on a topic of importance it's just a wreck.

 

And something like that can be a learning experience about how consent can go away at any moment if people weren't so pig headed

 

i think people accused of things are better off just keeping their fucking mouth shut. never seen a statement from someone accused that didnt make things worse. always excuses, denial, and/or muddying up the narrative in an attempt to confuse people and deflect blame. labels, the other members of bands, pr, management, etc. are the ones who need to come out with statements, and as jason said, they're mostly bad at it when it isnt hard to say and do the right thing.

 

I also feel that these statements typically serve the fans of the band, not the victim, or the situation.

 

and a lot of the time it doesnt even serve the fans, it just serves the accused themselves

 

yeah, of course. There's this weird thing with "accountability statement culture" where these fans expect it so that they can personally either chastise the artist or absolve guilt from supporting them, but then the artist usually tries to write something that minimizes the damage. so you have entitled fans who are like "well we need to have a statement down FAST so we can have it on record!" when that benefits no one but the fans, and you have artists shoot out a super fast statement that just dismisses everything. It's such a tedious part of the whole accountability process, and being that abuse seems like such a personal thing, the fact that people are really concerned with the public statement has really been weird to me.

 

Getting quick statements from related artists/labels/friends to know where they stand is much more important than the accused coming out and dismissing the claims or writing an incredibly long, narcissistic post about themselves. I still definitely look to see who reacts with distancing themselves and taking positive action and who stays silent.

 

Even at that, these are really complex personal situations, and doing good in the face of their fans might not necessarily be their number one priority. Like, people are shitting on SN's statement, but they threw something quick while they're in a foreign country, cancelling an entire tour, dealing with cam's health issues, and all of the logistics that surround that. It's not necessarily about being silent, and more about dealing with the more personal aspects of the circumstance.

 

Yeah, I meant more like how that cassette got pulled immediately with proceeds going to charity, and the OG show being canceled by the venue before anything else was announced. Those kinds of acts are really important in showing solidarity and not letting anyone be confused about who you support when this happens.

 

Like for a situation unrelated to this story, when Movements announced their tour with Moose Blood they got totally called out and released a very short statement fairly quickly just to keep fans informed, and then actually posted a longer one once they took the time to figure out if they could salvage the tour. Obviously it would have been better to never sign on to the tour, but saying SOMETHING kept people calm much better than if they had gone radio silent for weeks.

 

Is it wrong that I feel so exhausted and disheartened by all of the awful things these abusive types of guys do? It's really depressing, and then when it gets dismissed by so many people, it just makes me feel sorrow deep down inside.

 

Ugh, what an asshole.

 

Really glad she was able to come forward as well and booooooyyyy does this suck. Those texts especially are awful.

 

There’s also this thread talking about him and his mental illness and trying to use that to put himself on a pedestal.

 

that's the account i heard from my friend a while ago. ugh

 

Fuck Cam and fuck Adam. This is terrible.

 

so uhhh, fuck adam too, right? he just put out a record. don't listen to it

 

Absolutely fuck him. Him trying to silence someone like that is so fucking ridiculous.

 

Is it under his name or does it have its own?

 

yup, under his name

 

Those texts from Adam really kind of solidify for me that the band’s first statement was way more concerned about their image and clearing Cam’s name than about the victim themself

 

Thanks. Is the one that went/goes by like Scum or Slug or Spit? Something like that?

 

I don’t want to share other people’s tweets here but someone close to the victim who shared her story tonight tweeted that this probably won’t be the last we hear about Cams abusive history.

This is all incredibly sad.

 

These kind of things seem to basically never be isolated incidents. I really hope for the sake of anyone else involved that there isn’t anything else of this level, but I fully expect more to come out.