Accountability in Music • Page 374

Regarding Pinegrove my local alt rock station (which is independent and locally operated) are throwing a sponsored show with them in a few weeks. They're promoting it heavily.

 

my local record store did an in-store performance/album signing with them a few weeks ago and i didn't notice it until after the fact but it was disappointing to see as well.

 

i have a very hard time believing phoebe would be completely out of the loop on pinegrove

 

She knows what happened, but I'm sure what she knows is what was said in the Pitchfork article. Any further information is mainly only known on this forum.

 

Phoebe is the reason I know of Pinegrove but I thought she detached herself from them. Guess not.

 

I feel like the Pitchfork article + being friends with Evan and only hearing his story easily explains why Phoebe would still support them

 

right. it's still pretty specifically odd considering how she handled the ryan adams situation vs. how she's choosing to handle this, though.

 

Yeesh.

 

holy shit

 

Abusers are usually very good at hiding their true selves from even people that believe they are close to them. There's certainly a strong possibility Phoebe has no idea about the truth of what went on. Nobody really does outside of this forum and some people local to the specific survivor that has been involved with the public-facing portion of the whole situation. And unless you're here or following some specific people on Twitter, there's likely no way you know that there are other survivors either.

Granted, outlets like Pitchfork or NPR have a journalistic responsibility to get the whole story before running with their puff pieces, album reviews, and artist interviews. If the survivor doesn't want to talk to you about it, maybe don't publish positive things about the band.

 

Phoebe was scheduled for a tour with Pinegrove before the first allegations were made and she dropped/the tour was canceled. Theres absolutely no way in my mind that she doesn't know.

 

Of course she knows about the initial allegations. But as everyone has said over and over, there’s essentially no reason for her to think that there is more going on when publicly only so much has been stated.

 

There’s a chance she doesn’t know that the survivor isn’t ok with their comeback, is what I’m saying. Of course she knows about the original allegations.

 

Fuck Scientology.

 

Sorry my post wasn't supposed to be directed at anyone, I'm just disappointed.

 

Just wanted to chime in here and say that as someone who unintentionally took a break from reading these forums for a while (no specific reason, I just sort of fell out of music discussion sites for a long time); coming here as someone who only knows of the initial Pinegrove situation and nothing else beyond it.... it's very difficult to arm myself with the knowledge that apparently only the users here have.

I'm still trying to educate myself, but beyond manually searching through a 376 page thread, it feels like an uphill battle. Not criticizing anyone or anything, just wanted to affirm the night and day difference between discussion here and...well, everywhere else. As angry as you might be at people who don't come here and how they can support an artist, I very humbly suggest taking just a second to remind yourself that it's really hard to know everything going on all the time, and people make choices based on the information available to them. Staying informed is a full time job, and I do try, but when life is already busy and stressful, it's tough.

 

that is so fucked up.

 

I’ve been following the Scientology/Masterson thing for a bit, and it’s completely crazy. Cedric and his family must be terrified.

 

Seeing that Pinegrove are playing two nights in Dublin and have sold out the first just bums me the fuck out. The narrative has been rewritten and the fact they took a year off has apparently redeemed them in most people's eyes. Shit sucks.

 

Just getting caught up on this thread and I can’t believe I didn’t realize Halsey used the BN sample. I thought the backlash would’ve been the almost-lyrics of theirs she used (“wish I could see what it’s like to be the blood in my veins”). But she also used lyrics from “Cry Me a River” so there’s two samples/interpolations/whatever music term from gross men. Not a good look from someone who should absolutely know better.

 

Goddamn, fuck that cult

 

It’s weird to me that NPR is fine promoting Pinegrove just because the victim hasn’t publicly stated she doesn’t want the band to continue. She probably doesn’t want to be harassed online over it. Shitty they don’t seem to care

 

I think it’s kinda lame Halsey got a lot of backlash and media attention for making a dumb joke and got almost no criticism for the BN sample

 

Honestly, that was my favorite song of BN’s and I didn’t even notice it was used until I read this thread. I was only listening on Spotify so I hadn’t seen the album notes, either. But either way, I won’t be returning to that album. Don’t know what she was thinking using it.

 

It's honestly disgusting and I'm still almost in a state of disbelief that she actually did it.