Accountability in Music • Page 265

Discussion in 'Music Forum' started by OhTheWater, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. Stephen Young

    Regular Prestigious

    It's not super surprising, isn't that like *the* Christian thing? Accept people as they are, regardless of their past, etc
     
  2. tyramail

    Trusted Supporter

    But like, you don’t need to be accepted and heal in the public eye.
     
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  3. Dinosaurs Dish

    an oak tree

    I think forgiveness is an important thing for everyone to work on within themselves and with others, but I agree that he shouldn't be back in the band and touring after the shit he pulled. Fuck him and the rest of those guys, I'm disappointed in them quite a bit.
     
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  4. K0ta

    when i feel it, then i feel it too much. Supporter

    I don't see publicly forgiving and enabling a guy who tried to get his wife killed and now wants to continue working from his influential public platform as a good thing, but I'm not a Christian so maybe I just don't get it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  5. Dinosaurs Dish

    an oak tree

    To be clear, I didn't mean for fans or people here need to forgive him at all. That should be something he works hard as hell on to earn from people in his life, not randoms on the internet.
     
  6. tyramail

    Trusted Supporter

    People seem to think they’re using him as an inspiration to heal. I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you’re supposed to heal by using your abuser as inspo.
     
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  7. Dinosaurs Dish

    an oak tree

    Yeah, that's truly fucked up and wrong.
     
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  8. tyramail

    Trusted Supporter

    Bottom line, his healing is not anything I give a shit about and it doesn’t need to be in the public eye. He can fuck off.
     
  9. ArmsLikeTeeth

    Trusted Supporter

    This one really stings. This band was my first everything.
     
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  10. OhTheWater

    Let it run Supporter

    I mean didn't they have a primarily underage fanbase and encourage bras and panties to be thrown on the stage? Wasn't that their schtick

    EDIT:
    Oh I didn't see the rest of the thread. Yeah they've always been super sketchy with shit like that. I assume they were trying to follow the blink 182 "boobies" joke but most of their fans were like preteens so it was just very gross
     
  11. ArmsLikeTeeth

    Trusted Supporter

    Yeah he just seems very predatory and I don't think the other members of the band are really on THAT level.
     
  12. K0ta May 30, 2019
    (Last edited: May 30, 2019)
    K0ta

    when i feel it, then i feel it too much. Supporter

    This is so gross and I feel like it's something people have just accepted about him but don't really challenge. I was conditioned in the male-dominated friends group I grew up in to think it was okay for them to make jokes at the expense of my body and sexuality and I realized that it was incredibly damaging, but it took me a long time to get there. I feel like it's pretty common for women in male-dominated anything to deal with this kind of behavior and to accept it as normal because otherwise it means challenging the fundamental of an entire group dynamic and nobody ever told us it wasn't normal or showed us anything other than that. We could talk about pop-punk writ large in this case but ATL's fanbase in particular are young, impressionable girls (I was one at one point) who accepted this kind of behavior because nobody told us it wasn't okay. Honestly that's why it is so important to always be calling this kind of stuff out because there are girls growing up right now being conditioned to think their breasts are the punch line, which can develop into this feeling of a lack of autonomy over one's over body! At the very least there is no 14 year old girl who needs to be complimented on her breasts under any circumstances, it's disgusting and I for one basically can't wait for the ATL/Waterparks/etc. type of we're zany and crude! and it's part of our charm! boy band thing to die.
     
  13. laraheart

    Newbie

    So many responses to the Jack Barakat thing on that Twitter thread completely disregard the power dynamic between bands and their fans. If your idol who you have a fan account of etc asks you to take your bra off, it's not the same as some random kid in your class asking. So disgusting how these guys are abusing their platforms
     
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  14. personalmaps

    guppy Supporter

    ATL has rubbed me the wrong way for years for exactly this. Would love any one person defending them to explain how they “have bras thrown at them to donate money to charity” because it seems like they could just do that without asking preteens to do that. Not sure how used bras translate to money either.
     
  15. EASheartsVinyl

    Trusted

    I know I’ve mentioned the Abigail Breslin thing here before and had it dismissed. I feel like all of this has been out there for so long, but I’m happy for it to come to light again now.
     
  16. DarkHotline

    Mack Daddy of Heimlich County Supporter

    What did Jack do?
     
  17. Jason Tate May 30, 2019
    (Last edited: May 30, 2019)
    IIRC, they asked people to stop doing that around ‘Dirty Work’, they didn’t, so they decided to start donating a dollar per bra instead and donate the bras to Goodwill. I don’t remember the whole story but their manager mentioned it somewhere once and I’m blanking on the details. I don’t wanna google all time low bras though to check.
     
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  18. Mikeydude91

    Newbie

    Here is something about it
     
  19. natefoundglory

    Regular

    Here we go
     
  20. tyramail

    Trusted Supporter

    Vomit. I commented on the Instagram for this on Heart Support and basically got a response that they accept “everyone” who wants to heal. And that hopefully Tim can encourage people on a bad path can step off that path. No thanks, I do not give a shit about your story and will never understand why it’s being glorified.
     
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  21. Joe4th

    Memories are nice, but that's all they are. Supporter

    Fuck Tim and fuck this whole narrative that “oh he made a mistake and is bettering himself”. He tried to get his wife killed. This whole glorifying him and his improvements is so fucking gross
     
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  22. K0ta

    when i feel it, then i feel it too much. Supporter

    Why isn't anyone thinking of the poor abusive men that need to see a story of "redemption!?" Won't anyone think of them and their needs???
     
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  24. DarkHotline

    Mack Daddy of Heimlich County Supporter

    It honestly infuriates me that people want to give Tim a pass because he’s “remorseful”. Like good for him, he’s still a piece of shit who wanted his wife dead.
     
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  25. ComedownMachine

    Prestigious Prestigious

    I wonder if people would still be preaching forgiveness if the dude was a real hitman