Accountability in Music • Page 1033

There’s also a degree to which their appeal to sympathy with their heteronormative families hits weird, given the people Tait assaulted were men. Like, “hey, we each have a wife and an average of three and a half children! We’re normal, upright men, not inverts.”

 

fucking hell, Nate.

 

Yeah that's a bullshit response. Based on that article, there's no way they didn't know. They're not doing themselves any favors by saying "When he left the band in January, Michael confessed to us and our management that he “had been living a double-life” but we never imagined that it could be this bad."

You probably could have though if you had maybe...I dunno...asked? Like, if I'm meant to believe you that he told you "I've been living a double life" and this was the first time you were hearing it...would not your natural follow up question then be "what do you mean by that?"

Like, are you telling me he came to you and said "I have to leave the band. I've been living a double life" and you just shrugged and said "okie dokie" and didn't bother to clarify what exactly this double life of his entailed? Really? You just said "k" and then carried on with your lives?

HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK WE - ARGH LKADKJNDKJNBWDKJNBWDKJBNSDKJNSDJKJKDSNDKJA

 

HE'S ROARRRRRING, HE'S ROARRRRRING

 

I was still very active in youth ministry and summer church camp when “Like a Lion” hit (the initial versions before Newsboys recorded it). And, I gotta say, when some of those local worship leaders played it at camp, it was a dang good time.

 

yup. felt like half of the people knew the first version (was it Crowder or someone else?) and the other half knew the Newsboys version, and you could tell because i think there's a slight difference in the timing/cadence of the line "he's surely alive"

 

I know the Kristian Stanfill version.

 

sorry to say i only know the version that makes you run through a wall.

 

Crowder helped popularize it before it became the Newsboys song, but some other guy first wrote and performed it. Forget who? I rarely listened to recorded worship music, lol; if I loved a song, I wanted to hear it in a group worship setting.

Though. I do sometimes thinking about making a playlist of the best versions I can find of my favorite songs, now that I’m not in those circles the same way (but still a Christian). Only problem is, I’m sure some of that shit was, like, Hillsong, lol.

 

Kristian Stanfill feels correct (i think with Passion?)

 

He probably played it there before it was released on an album. I know he played it on tour with Chris Tomlin in the fall before his album with it came out. I wouldn’t be surprised if he played it at Passion that year.

 

Just googled it and it looks like it was written by Daniel Bashta?

 

Oh yea, to clarify, I know Stanfill didn’t write it. It’s fairly common to cover other artists’ worship songs.

 

Oh yes, this I know well. It's always interesting to figure out who originally wrote what. I remember hearing so many iterations of Shout To The Lord as a kid that I had no idea where it originated from. As @Tim mentioned though... it was of course Darlene Zschech from Hillsong.

 

Not important to the discussion, but “God’s Not Dead” was a top 10 bad movie watch. A true glimpse into the evangelical mind where it’s cool the atheist died because, come on, he deserved it.

 

back when i was an engineering major in undergrad, i spent the summer of 2014 interning for our local highway department, and one of the first days i was taken to a job site by a coworker, i brought up my involvement in campus ministry to a coworker, and somehow he made that his whole perception of me the entire summer. case in point, he kept racing about how great God's Not Dead was and i think he offered to take me to see it if i wanted? that's my only experience with that movie

 

Oh boy! Well, at least you didn’t go if he wanted to watch it in earnest. It’s an unintentionally hilarious movie.

 

Make it stop

 

The fact that movie was immensely popular in the evangelical community is telling..

 

I never got into any of those types of movies.

The only Christian videos I seeked out were Rob Bell’s nooma videos and some Passion DVD’s.

 

truth be told, his persistence was pretty fucking creepy, so i tried to avoid him. i heard the movie was pretty bad shortly after that, so i just skipped it altogether, but i'd be down to get drunk and hate watch it one day

 

my parents made me watch Fireproof and a pre-Left Behind rapture film called A Thief in the Night (and its sequels), but that was about it. i think we watched a couple nooma videos in youth group but i didn't take stock in them or Bell until i discovered Love Wins during my deconstruction and said "shit, that's the same guy?!"

 

I have not gone back to Love Wins since it came out. My perspective is fairly different now, I wonder what I’d think of it. When I first read it, the biggest thing that stood out to me was that he didn’t do any footnotes. In all his prior books, he would use footnotes to cite sources or give credit to someone else. In LW, he just put a list of references in the back with no context. It’s hard to take anything he says there as coming from trusted resources when he was so evasive of where he was getting things he was throwing out there.

 

People really want the bleakest future possible

 

that's fair, and i'd probably have similar frustrations if i read it again. i was just appreciative to see someone have a different take about hell. there's tons of books from that period in my life i found useful then, but would probably have a lot of criticism towards now