Accountability in Music II • Page 17

i dont necessarily think being grossed out that a 25 year old man dated a 16 year old kid in the public eye and still gets a pass for it has to be "outrage on someone elses behalf" rather than disgust for a culture that allowed and still allows that to happen, and that's kind of an unavoidable thing for a lot of people to think about when seeing their band name

to be clear, i'm not advocating for them to not get covered here. but i do think of this site a little differently as a result of it since we're the one place that's supposed to be good about that kinda stuff

 

Ruh roh, I guess Laura Jane Grace was posting again

 

Hilary Duff not seeing anything wrong with dating a 26 year old at 16 is like, the textbook definition of grooming. Just because she can be friends with him and is alright with that doesn’t mean I have to be. It’s weird as hell and I don’t feel good about pretending it’s not.

 

Who’s asking you to be?

 

16 pages of replies on the new album, mainly.

 

Good lord that is some main character syndrome to believe that people having a different line than you is somehow them forcing their line ON you.

 

If that line is okay with keeping a groomer platformed, it's an objectively morally shitty line lol.

 

You’re the one who called them an afterthought when they are very clearly not given their new album, festival headlining dates, television appearances, and 16 pages of replies, chief.

 

“Chief”

alright man, you got it.

 

I’d like to believe that every regular poster on this site thinks a 25-yr-old getting into a relationship with a 16-yr-old is Very Bad and Not Healthy. Like, I don’t think anyone here is gonna be arguing otherwise.

That being said. This was two decades ago, during a time when it was unfortunately common for that kind of shit to be hand waved away. And, when the relationship ended (again, about two decades ago), Joel Madden went pretty quickly into a relationship with someone much closer to his age, who he’s still with today.

Also, as has been pointed out, Hilary Duff in her mid 30s reconnected with Joel, in an environment with her husband and his wife present, and this led to them becoming friends again. And, when asked about if it was important being friends with exes, she said no, but she was glad she was friends with him again.

(By the way, I never have been and likely never will be a fan of Good Charlotte, so no, I’m not defending him to justify anything. And also, I didn’t know that much about the situation until I decided to do some research this evening, since this has come up a lot. So, if you’re interested in good faith, it’s not that hard to research.)

I don’t understand why some people are trying to conflate this guy being in exactly one very public relationship two decades ago with a weird age gap to a serial predator like Jesse Lacey or whatever. If you decide him doing that makes you side eye him enough that you want nothing to do with him, that’s obviously 100% fair. But, this recurring “gotcha” on Jason when the only known younger woman Joel dated is now, years later, cool with him is so weird.

Unless there are victim’s stories outside of this one 37-year-old who doesn’t see herself currently as a victim (and her husband and his wife seem to agree?) that we don’t know… idk, maybe this whataboutism should chill a bit?

 

i think interpreting it as a gotcha and whataboutism kinda misses the point. seems we've all learned today that people draw different lines on this issue, but this convo is always going to pop up when their name comes up and is always going to make people uncomfortable. it just kinda comes with the territory if they're gonna be covered on the site

 

Which is fine, these things should be discussed and people who aren't aware of the situation should be so they can decide where they stand, but at least the question of why they're still discussed has been exhaustively covered now.

 

I also think there’s some bristling and defensiveness because when the Brand New crowd tries to invade this space, they always bring up Good Charlotte and Pete Wentz as their defense.

 

I’m sorry but some of the recent posts, and some posts in the past, 100% read like “gotcha” posts. If they’re in good faith, then ok, whatever, but I don’t really understand what they want accomplished at this point?

 

I simply think groomers (BN, GC, FOB, Rancid) don't deserve a platform. Not really a gotcha. They will continue to get platformed and I will continue to think it is gross. As a victim of grooming, myself, I have a zero tolerance policy for that sort of thing.

 

I saw she posted something about Paris using the band space at their house they used to live in together and being upset because it's her teenager's space, then more about what Paris did wrong and lied about and honestly I can't get too deep into the she said she said

 

this i understand as brand new fans are unhinged cowards who will do anything to justify their obsession. its unfortunate and frustrating that they have poisoned the well to the point where people who find all of these figures problematic get lumped in with their whataboutism

 

I like to imagine this post is about the debate of posts per page

 

Not sure why it matters, no one reads the threads anyway.

 

It’s a shit show and I wish it would stop.

 

The record store I go to did a special variant of Laura’s new album and I feel so awkward both not bringing up the situation and not buying the vinyl…I have no idea how to process it all as a fan of hers.

 

I think it’s perfectly ok to not have a strong personal impulse to tell other people about it in real life

 

So Procrastinate! Music Traitors is still active? I see they were teasing a new release last week and have a new artist releasing music this week with JL in one of the IG pics.

 

I believe it’s Vincent’s side project. But bright side - comments are turned on for it, last I saw.

edit: I guess they have two releases coming up, one of which is his side project.

 

Yikes. I haven't seen that name in ages and I was happier.