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I think it's clear from the statement that he hasn't had the chance to understand what the victim wants, or even specifically what behaviour it is that has caused the hurt, because the victim has chosen not to engage via the mediator at this time. In lieu of that conversation, it appears from the statement that he's taken the correct steps to start therapy for himself and for the band, they are donating and giving platform. Not sure what else they could do at this point and it comes to a personal decision of the fans of the band whether they want to continue supporting them.

 

Well, not to be pedantic but another option is to postpone the tour (and the platform that goes with it) until they hear from the victim about their wishes.

You're right, folks can choose whether or not to support them. I'm just saying there was another choice - however unlikely - that the band could've made.

 

Not pedantic at all. I understand that was another alternative, however unlikely. I think that a big issue is musicians financially benefitting from their output when they have had misconduct. They've taken that away by donating the profits to the right people. For this tour, I think that's the medium place in lieu of a conversation through a mediator. After this tour, then that's where the real decisions come in my mind.

 

I guess this one has me fairly torn in my thoughts. I feel like the statement is commendable because he’s actually taking responsibility for his actions along with taking steps to get better. Maybe I’m just jaded because of the world we live in, but donating money, while obviously a good thing in general, makes it seem like he’s overextending. I guess I just don’t feel like there is ever a 100% acceptable response, because bottom line, he assaulted someone. I want to cancel, but also want to hope he genuinely is remorseful and bettering himself.

 

Not trying to be a dick but I don’t really know what the above post have to do with the content of this thread?

 

I figured it was the most appropriate place to post it.

 

And that's a fair way to feel. Most of my confusion and hesitance to put this firmly in the "okay" category is completely personal and I have no problem admitting that. Just as a survivor, it's difficult for me to knowingly voice support for or be willing to put myself in the same room as someone who I know behaved that way. I'm also not gonna "cancel" people for feeling differently, that's everyone's prerogative.

If we're given access (which we are not entitled to), the victim's eventual statement may shed more light. But in the meantime, I'm just gonna hope they're okay and that he follows through on accountability and continues to make efforts to do right.

 

I definitely understand and appreciate your posts. I always see you posting in relation to things like this and I've learned a lot from reading your perspective, it's been invaluable to me on this subject. Thanks for the good interaction.

 

Not the right time or place for this. I think a serious discussion is happening and intermingling it with non-related tweets derails a conversation that is needed.

 

has a single person cared about Elvis meeting Priscilla when she was 14 before they started using it as a weird smoke screen to deflect from MJ also being a creep

 

Lmao comparing sleeping in the same bed as children to doing child welfare work. Theyre gonna need help from the chiropractor after how far they've been reaching

 

seeing a lot of the same defenses you saw with bill cosby. some of the same people doing it too

 

Been interesting to see other bands promoting the new Better Off record...

 

Like who? Sorry, I don’t use Twitter or I’d just look myself

 

I’ve seen them on Instagram. Blis, Derek from Defeater, Dan from Elder Brother.

 

It really fucking sucks to say but on my timeline the only people defending MJ are black people I went to highschool with and I just kinda have to walk on eggshells or I'm getting called racist for giving a shit about survivors of abuse.
"I don't see you taking down white abusers."

Really? Harvey Wienstien. Kevin Spacey. Jesse Lacey. Ryan Adams. The person who was literally my best friend for 10 years.
You don't see it because you don't give a shit about accountability for abuse in any context.

 

The thing with Better Off is if you read the long thing they posted with the album release, Luke admits he was in the wrong for defending David and that everything happened too quickly for him to respond the right way, since he was in denial that he actually did it. Obviously that was a bad response and he admits that. With that explanation and the person involved not currently in the band, and never really was to begin with since he was just a touring member, I don’t see any problem with supporting Better Off after Luke’s explanation, though of course that’s just my take.

 

Yeah, I wasn't gonna say this cause it would make me sound like a dick, but someone (I think Jason) on here said something akin to 'I love people in my life evem though they've made mistakes. I wouldn't publicly support them, & I definitely wouldn't listen to their pop-punk album" but, no offense, that's kind of a false comparison.

This situation is more akin to someone not listen to YOUR pop punk album because of the people you keep in your life.

 

Fuck them.

EDIT: Let me just expand on this and say that him just being a touring member or whatever really doesn't matter when this statement makes it quite clear that he mattered enough to leave a tour and "go silent" to defend him, so anything he says now is just an excuse really cause they want to put out a new album and tour again.

 

That’s a big ‘ol nah from me.

 

It’s so cool how everyone in Better Off realized they’d made a huge mistake right when they wanted to put out a new album and not a minute sooner over the past three years.

 

And in the explanation they posted with the new album, Luke admits he was in the wrong then

 

Accountability should include being accountable, covering up for an abuser and then being like “my bad” when you wanna release an album ain’t that.