Accountability in Entertainment • Page 42

I don't think he really wanted to listen

 

He’s a jerkoff.

 

It sounds like other than the two that walked out and some other people made uncomfortable, he received a warm welcome. So, I'm sure he feels fine coming back and doesn't think he needs to learn anything.

Louis C.K. Performs Again, but Club Gives Patrons an Out

 

Aziz is playing Minneapolis this week like no big deal.

 

What I don't understand about Louis is that if he SCHEDULED a show, literally everyone there would be in support of him because they had to BUY a ticket for it! And then if he wanted, he could record it and sell it like he used to do so often.

Like, he's such an asshole, but popping up like that makes he look so much worse.

 

He's been doing shows for the past like 2 months or so.

 

It's like showing up unannounced is him being charitable and justifying what he did.

 

him showing up unannounced late at night is probably just him trying to do normal shit again. guys his stature walk into clubs like the cellar and do a set on short notice fairly regularly. not excusing it obviously but its not at all an unheard of thing for a guy like to him walk into a club like that at 1130 and be on stage at midnight with no prior notice

 

I feel like Aziz and Louis are in two very different categories and Aziz apologized very publicly and respectfully and also reached out to the person involved. Him coming back doesn't bother me nearly as much as Louis. Louis abused his power multiple times, didn't apologize for it, and is gunning to get his fame back. It's sickening.

 

I agree there are some notable differences between the two situations

 

It's not only the situation that makes the difference, it's the person and how they react. I do think people can change and repent and learn. The fact that Louis apparently REFUSES to do any of that fucking astounds me. Especially with some of the stuff he's said in his standup.

 

My lingering issue with the Aziz Ansari thing (and the reason I still bring it up in relevant conversations) was and still is primarily about the way it was received and the arguments I heard made in his favor at the time.

That being said, even though he handled the allegation much better than CK did, nothing about his response indicated to me that he believed it was more than an isolated incident so I'm not too fussed about defending him either. Ansari's behavior fell so firmly into "things that happen to women literally every single day" that I'm actually MORE upset simply because so many people saw absolutely nothing wrong with it. "I'm sorry she felt that way" isn't the same as "I messed up and need to be more critical of my behavior on dates".

Note: I also didn't do much digging so this is based on the statement he made in January. Possible I missed something.

 

Louis has been doing comedy forever and knows everyone in the industry, so he definitely feels more entitled than guys already do.

Did the person involved with Aziz ever say anything publicly after his apology and reaching out to her, or was everything kept private?

 

He announced a show by me 4 days in advance, I didn't go way too soon for me to see him perform standup about relationships

Aziz playing himself as a male feminist was weak, no one is saying it's the same thing as Louie

 

I've heard a lot of back and forth on what he did and whether or not it was sexual misconduct and that the original article from that site was met with quite a bit of backlash as being harmful to the #metoo movement.

Did exact details or full stories come out from either of them? I'm on my work computer right now.

 

It was kinda rushed and the author wrote a wild email ,but that doesn't negate the story
Writer of Aziz Ansari article rips Ashleigh Banfield’s age, looks, lipstick

Pretty sure it was just the one article

 

I hope Aziz addresses the aftermath of everything that happened. It would be weird for a guy who based so much of his act and personality on dating habits and rituals to hope this would just be swept under the rug.

I don't think we've heard from the person who was assaulted since the incident and I don't think we will. It was Babe.net that approached her about the story, rather than the other way around. And I think once the author had that meltdown, bragging about pageviews, it was seen as being done in bad faith.

 

Missed this earlier but yeah I meant it was less surprising because he’s terrible and I don’t expect anything better from him.

 

As I recall from the article, what Aziz did was very clearly a sort of attempted assault. I'm surprised people aren't more up in arms about him attempting a comeback

 

Given how common that type of behavior is, I'm guessing people didn't want to examine their own experiences that closely. It's easier for women (especially older ones) to see it as a "bad date" than "coerced consent (which is assault)" and it's easier for men not to have to look too closely at the fact that so many of them have lived their lives following the "getting her to say yes is what matters, not how you do it or whether she actually wanted to" mantra.

Gender binary used for simplicity and in this context only. Anyone can assault anyone.

 

People really glossed over stuff in the Aziz article too. They made it seem like he pushed too far but then immediately stopped when she appeared disinterested and that's not what happened at all

 

yeah, that's exactly what happened. I was a huge fan of his and thought he was a genuinely good guy and a positive voice in comedy, but that whole scenario of "she pushed away five minutes ago, lets try again" is so disregarding of the other person's wishes that I can't see it as anything short of abuse

 

This is basically how I heard it described from my friend who keeps up with all of these kind of stories and she seemed 50/50 on whether he did anything "wrong" or not. I'll read that linked article later when I'm not at work though.

 

I don't doubt you. That's kind of the crux of the issue and why the Ansari story is so uniquely frustrating.

 

I’m very much still fuck Aziz, he’s lost all credibility as someone who knows about dating at least, at worst he’s a fraud who uses his position and image to coerce women. There’s no good scenario unless he comes out and actually admits guilt in the situation and holds himself accountable.

With how fucked our society is no one else is going to hold him accountable. Louie situation is much worse and he’s still trying to get off Scott free.