2024 NFL Draft • Page 233

Been on a heater the last couple of years though.

2022 and 2023 are both really good classes, and I like Byron Murphy and Christian Haynes a lot.

 

Maybe my standards are also low but if you come away with like 3-4 serviceable players, or 2 really good players, a draft is a success. It's too much of a dart throw to assume everyone is gonna hit.

Patriots look at this, I'd call 2021 a success even though Mac didn't work out. Stevenson and Barmore have both been very good. 2022 is a disaster zone and then 2023 so far has 3 starters, 2 rotational pieces and a new punter/kicker.

So I guess we're on the upswing?

 

Yeah I was saying 2022-2024 is a markedly different draft approach for Seattle than 2013-2021

 

Oh I know. I'm not arguing with you lol. I would say 2013-2021 still have some positive drafts but yeah, they def seem to be hitting on a more consistent basis lately.

 

That’s kinda sad if so. They did come away with their two franchise leaders for the next decade but wasn’t the best draft otherwise. Very good draft but your BEST DRAFT EVER should have more than two players who got contract extensions haha

I just went through their draft history from 2012-2016

there were like, literally 0 good picks from Russell (round 3 2012) to Lockett (round 3 2015). Frank Clark (round 2 2015) was talented but got in trouble in college for abusing a woman and didn’t even stay on the Seahawks so I can’t count that either - still bad value for round 2 & a player I wish wasn’t even on draft boards - but that’s literally the only draft pick in that 3 year span that wasnt spent on a player that did very little in the NFL.

2016 draft was a LITTLE better but Germain Ifedi and Jarran Reed is still pretty lukewarm talent for the first two rounds. They were okay starters. I didn’t continue after that

 

I looked at each team's 2019 drafts and there are a LOT of brutal drafts there

Very few good ones and as much as LJ Collier is the punching bag of Seattle's draft they got outta there a lot better than some other teams

 

Hi, it's me, a fan of "other teams"

 

I'd say the 49ers Saints and Jaguars (even with the Jawaan stuff) got outta there really well, and then it's the Cards Seahawks and a couple others, and then the rest of the NFL blew it

 

N'keal Harry and Reche Caldwell have done more damage to the Patriots than the Jets lol

 

I mean two players with decent shots of being Hall of Famers in one draft class is pretty great! There's usually 5 or less in any one draft class. Bruce Irvin also wasn't great but a good starter who helped win them a super bowl. Most draft picks don't hit, Seahawks won a super.bowl largely on their 2010 and 2012 drafts, even if they missed on a bunch of drafts after.

 

Seahawks have mostly been drafting very well outside of a couple truly baffling decisions that are among the worst in the league

 

I think what really ruined their window wasnt bad drafting but trading away their 1st round pick every year for players who they overpaid and then disappointed. No first round pick in 2013-2015 and 2017 is crazy.

 

not giving the ball to Lynch was the wrong answer,

but what I hated even more was how much Carroll underestimated how good Belichick is at calling defense. You really called a wrinkle / pick play with the SuperBowl on the line? No DUH Belichick has his corners coached to watch out for that in pressure goal line situations.

If you’re gonna be tricky be ACTUALLY tricky (like the Philly Special), don’t just do something corny and obvious that he sees coming a mile away. I think NFL films actually caught Belichick telling his corners before the play, basically, that if they see a guy trying to block run the fuck through him. And that’s exactly what happened

 

The notoriously quiet Patriots COULDN'T BE LOUDER about knowing that play was coming and how to handle it lol.

Like it's almost personal at some point, they must hate Pete in some place, but between putting out footage of them practicing against that play, Bill giving an interview where he basically says "I could see them looking confused and I could tell they were about to fuck up so I let them." And all the other stuff. It's just funny.

 

Seeing Falcons fans on twitter going from outrage Thursday night right after their pick to chest out cockiness today is why the offseason is so beautiful.

 

I stand by "don't give the ball to Lynch" and WILL die on that hill with how he had played at the goal line in that SB and the timeout situation, but I agree with everything else you said and think both the playcall and where Wilson went with the ball were the problem

 

I’m also good on them passing. I saw an interview once where Bill basically explained that the clock dictates a pass there.

But yeah, gotta make that play or eat it. Only two choices.

 

coming back to this because it keeps showing up on my Twitter feed

it’s very much a — “idk he’s probably technically the Y by virtue of lining up off the ball more often than lining up on it?” but he has not changed positions, nor has his game changed so drastically that you’d call it a *position change*, despite being opposite TY Hilton and Zach Pascal to begin his career and opposite Alec Pierce and now adding AD Mitchell for the past couple of years (which is a wildly different anchor point for “what does this player do differently than the other guys in the room”, even though he does the same thing)

 

Was Carroll calling plays on offense in that super bowl or was it the OC? Genuinely curious. I thought Carroll didn’t call offense

 

It was Bevell

 

Hey Dave, fuck off buddy.


(Why isn't the quote showing up haha)

 

Took me a second to remember you were a Seahawks before. At first I was like whoa wtf haha

 

Haha when the quote didn't attach I was even more like "oh shit please remember I'm a Seahawks fan."