2021 NFL Season Thread Football • Page 304

if they trade it to Detroit and they take a QB I'm gonna punch myself in the eye

 

I don’t think “he lacks athleticism” is an unfair comment. That doesn’t mean “he can’t play quarterback” it just mentions something he lacks that affects his style of play.

namely, a good offensive line is more vital for him than an athletic QB because he needs to be able to rely on the pocket.

 

Also
1) 4.7 isn’t that fast for a QB anymore - now we have defenses who are prepared to deal with mobile QBs who run 4.4-4.5.
2) measurements still don’t mean he’s good at scrambling haha. Scrambling is a skill itself, requires more than just speed

 

I mean, there’s no one to trade above that early. Cincy / Miami aren’t taking a QB. And we seem very bullish on the idea that Detroit isn’t either

 

I think it makes way more sense for teams to try to trade up to 7 than to 4, probably costs a little less

 

it’s whatever I dont keep receipts. I’ll probably forget to Jim face if this happens like usual lol

 

4.7 is definitely a good speed for a QB still lol

 

Not really... Derek Carr ran 4.6 and I wouldn’t call him a good scrambler. Having a big body and running 4.6 is very good (Cam Newton) but if you’re not big then you have to be so much more elusive to escape the rush

4.7-4.8 was a good time for a QB when that was also a good time for a LB or DE.

Now it seems most LB and more than a handful of DE run 4.6 or better so the QB doesn’t have those same matchup advantages scrambling.

 

5 QBs in the NFL ran a sub-4.6 and 3 of them are bad.

Aaron Rodgers: 4.71u
Ben Roethlisberger: 4.75u
Josh Allen: 4.75u
Carson Wentz: 4.77u
Dak Prescott: 4.79u
Patrick Mahomes: 4.80u
Matthew Stafford: 4.81u
Jared Goff: 4.82u
Baker Mayfield: 4.84u
Kirk Cousins: 4.84u
Sam Darnold: 4.85u
Matt Ryan: 4.89u
Jimmy Garoppolo: 4.9
Tom Brady: 5.28u

 

difference between 4.6 and 4.7 is pretty massive.

4.6 is the requisite speed for a lot of positions. And in those positions, 4.7 is considered too slow to the point where it sets off alarms and moves guys down draft boards.

 

Aaron Rodgers: 4.71u
Ben Roethlisberger: 4.75u
Josh Allen: 4.75u
Carson Wentz: 4.77u
Dak Prescott: 4.79u
Patrick Mahomes: 4.80u
Matthew Stafford: 4.81u
Jared Goff: 4.82u
Baker Mayfield: 4.84u
Kirk Cousins: 4.84u
Sam Darnold: 4.85u
Matt Ryan: 4.89u
Jimmy Garoppolo: 4.9
Tom Brady: 5.28u

 

Lamar Jackson Didnt run the 40 so you’re missing at least one big example

 

yeah okay and all of those QBs did. So that literally proves you wrong lol

 

Aaron Rodgers wins with savvy and timing when he runs, he’s not “fast”. He really mostly just has a really good sense of when to escape the pocket. Which is very different from running a good time.

 

Also, this was counting Lamar's pro day.

 

almost every QB you listed is slow as molasses

Josh Allen being the key exception, and he is 6’7” so like I said being big helps

 

The panthers and broncos?

 

I wouldn't say they are slow as molasses. Some of them. but even so, if the vast majority run a 4.7 or slower, then you are objectively wrong to say 4.7 is a bad time lol

 

40 time is also one aspect of athleticism.

We saying Mac Jones is a better athlete than Patrick Mahomes?

 

I didn’t say it was a “bad time”. YOU said it was a “damn good time” and it’s certainly not that

 

edited to say just good*

4.7 is a fine time for a QB.

 

Yeah “fine”. It’s not “good” haha. It’s not the kind of time that guarantees a dude can escape the rush pursuing him from behind

 

People with slower times can do that.

 

4.7 is literally an above average time. It is objectively good by that metric.

 

The QBs in your list that ran 4.7 but still are mobile, do so becuase they either have elite pocket presence (Rodgers / Mahomes for example) or because he’s 6’7”, breaks tackles, and every step is 3 yards and every dive is 8 yards (Josh Allen)