2019-2020 NFL Season Thread [ARCHIVED] Football • Page 1138

I love Romo as an analyst. He’s awesome.

And yeah I know I’m late here.

 

For the money he makes I believe that answer would be a firm no.

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Here to repeat that Romo is awesome as a commentator.

 

Romo is cool. Just stop yelling at me so much.

 

Romo can yell at me all he wants...

 

Lol I use to live in Barrington.

 

For the money he makes yeah that’s pretty humble. That’s just your standard boring house in upscale New Jersey areas.

 

I can’t wait for Romo to be our head coach in like ten years with a still pretty young Kellen Moore at OC.

 

I can’t wait for Schefty to report that Jalen Ramsey and the Jaguars have signed an extension through 2027 that gives him the most potential earnings of any non-QB of all time

 

Probably wouldn’t even take that much tbh. $15M per year is the highest CB contract. We could just give Ramsey the same deal we’d give a great but not elite pass rusher ($17-$18 AAV) and that still far and away guarantees he’s the highest paid DB

 

To me it’s close, they were both freak talents but yeah Rodgers is clearly better even given eras. Fair point. I still don’t understand why you aren’t giving the rest of that 2010 packers team the credit they deserve haha. Their defense was really good.
Where do you place Rodgers I wonder? Do you put him above Montana because Montana had those great teams around him? Do you put Marino above guys like Big Ben and Elway?
To me a lot of this is subjective and hypothetical and relies on what you want to put weight on until you get to like maybe just Tom Brady who just has it all as far as all time great career stats, single season stats, mvps, comebacks and of course championship runs.

 

Three times more expensive than my house but 30 times nicer

 

Well. Montana > almost anybody. That’s just undeniable haha. Dude was posting modern spread offense numbers in the 80s. I feel like Bill Walsh’s west coast offense was so hard to execute that even with all that talent around him, that offense still needed a super smart and super consistent QB to function.

That was the first offense to have laser specific details for exactly where and when to place the ball, by the inch and by the microsecond, so I give Montana credit for being smart and consistent enough to live up to the expectations of a coach who was radically ahead of the rest of the league. In that sense Montana is the 1980s Tom Brady, AND he had multiple rings AND MVP’s along with it.

So, Montana has just too good of stats for the era, in game context, AND accolades to put anyone other than Brady above him imo. Maybe Manning but fuck him.

However, yeah it’s Marino over Elway all day. Hard to compare him across eras to Ben but definitely Marino over Elway.

That’s EXACTLY my point, actually. I don’t think there is really one objective basis for who is the greatest, I think you just look at their collective body of work and decide whose weighs heaviest.

Favre only won one SB but retired holding every single record.

Steve Young only won one SB but he had by far the most efficient numbers in the 1990s, was the first QB with a career QB rating over 90 and he was the most clear-cut precursor to football becoming a passing + scrambling league when he retired.

I put both of their careers above Troy Aikman and Elway despite the latter two having multiple Super Bowl wins.

And honestly imo this is what the MVP award is for, that’s a frame of reference for which QB is “doin the most” so to speak because it’s hard to gauge that years later. But better players SHOULD get awards and accolades that recognize how dominant they were, regardless how many times their team effectively closed out the SB. This helps balance out the “who had a better career” argument between championships and just consistent dominance.

There’s a reason why Favre has 3 MVPs and Young has 2, while Elway has 1 and Aikman has 0. That tells you how much of it was them beating the odds and taking on additional pressure, and how much of it was a team that dominated together / as a whole. Aikman was never even the most valuable player on his team, which had Emmitt Smith and Deion Sanders.

 

I am NOT here for this fetish.

 

Everyone knows I think Dak and Wentz are at about the same talent level but if this tweet is accurate, it really puts a whole new spin on the comparison and narrative surrounding the two right now:

 

At first blush, I think it’s because the drops the Eagles have had just came at worse times than the ones we have had. That’s why they seem more prevalent.

 

Rosen will vault to the top of that list once he plays enough

 

And the fact that the Eagles are currently 1-2 and staring 1-3 in the face whereas the Cowboys have cruised to 3-0

 

Right, exactly

 

I'm sad

 

For me the thing that gives Dak the edge over wentz is availability, which is not directly Wentz’ fault. Wentz is a better passer and it’s not particularly close, but that matters very little if he isn’t on the field playing.

 

Hmm curious about how it's not particularly close he's a better passer. What metrics are you using?

 

Yeah, I didn’t want to regurgitate everything here again but there’s plenty of evidence that, if anything, they’re roughly equal.

Dak is playing much better right now but even if you ignore that for schedule or injury reasons, there is nothing showing Wentz is better, especially it “not being close.”

 

Dak has a better completion percentage, TD and Int % are basically the same, Dak has slightly better Y/A and Y/C, Dak has significantly more 4Q comebacks and game winning drives.