2019-2020 NFL Season Thread [ARCHIVED] Football • Page 1132

This really gets too simplistic though. Your example of Rodgers, he carried his team arguably (his defense made some huge plays, including in the Super Bowl) to 1. So you put his career ahead of Aikman who was clutch in 3 championship years? And had to play in an era that suppressed QB stats and had a division full of monster defenses.
Also , winning matters. Brady outplayed Mahomes last year in Foxboro by knowing how to win, and instead of rushing down the field and scoring a touchdown and increasing a TD stat, he ate up all the clock and scored a field goal which gave them the best chance to win even if it meant he wasn’t pushing for another touchdown.

 

Mahomes was never the more boring person in a pair with Joe Buck

 

of course it is lol no one is saying it isn't. we're looking at it from that incredibly limited scope, that was literally the parameter of the discussion

 

It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t bad value I still would’ve kept Mack

Just because you make me a decent offer doesn’t mean I have to accept it. Sometimes the player is just, even more important to the team than the uncertainty of draft picks, particularly if you aren’t getting in the top 10. I would say I value Ramsey higher than market value, definitely and that’s not actually an illogical thing. Of course teams wouldn’t want to pay as much as he’s actually worth to me, that’s why I don’t like the idea of a trade no matter what juicy shit we get back.

 

Aikman has 0 Madden covers

Mahomes > Hillis > Aikman

 

That's fine, but that's still not how trade works haha. You aren't going to get a younger generational talent for a current generational player.

 

wouldn't this work in Aikman's favor??

 

Nope it's less earnings for Aikman

 

Then I’ll take my current one hahaha. Because literally the only thing better than having a generational talent is having a younger generational talent.

 

Like it’s not like I’m trying to actually get my price for Ramsey. I’m just making it clear that no team would want to match my price for a player that I think has A+ technique, tenacity, precision and athleticism. That is how trades work if you don’t actually want to trade. You high ball to the point where, if a team actually offered that, not taking it would be stupid.

 

Again, that's fine. But that's not actually how trades work so you're just setting yourself up for bigger disappointment here haha

 

If rings were the only metric, yeah Aikman had a more "successful" career than Marino/Elway/Peyton Manning/Brett Favre/nearly every quarterback who ever played the game. But rings are a team accomplishment. When comparing quarterbacks who both have Super Bowl wins, or even those few who have multiple rings, its more than fair to weigh who was the better quarterback on a talent/skill level vs. how many times their team won a Super Bowl when defining "success". If rings are the be all, end all for you, okay, but I'll take Dan Marino over Eli Manning.

 

Okay, this stat is strong enough to make me realize I’m off base. There ya go. Giving you credit where it’s due.

The second half of this is a very good counter example to what I’m saying, I’ll give you credit as well.

The first half though? I think there was a time in the early 2010s when people generally considered Rodgers better than Manning, Brees, or Brady. Aikman was never considered the top QB in the league - he attempted too few passes in a run, run, and run some more offense, and was also more inconsistent during the regular season than Young, Marino, Kelly, etc had set the standard. You also had Randall Cunningham putting up similar numbers some years, Mark Brunell was putting up Troy Aikman numbers easy with the Jags, etc.

Rodgers is also surviving awful situational coaching (which is a huge detriment to any QBs ability to win when it counts), and pretty (much calling his own plays / audibles to succeed on a regular basis.

It’s not that I think Aikman deserves less credit, it’s that Rodgers deserves even more for his situation. As good as he performed, he got a lot of one on ones that were easy to beat as long as the throw was accurate - they ran a play action heavy offense with the best back in the league, AND had an offensive line that could give slow downfield plays like that time to develop. That’s the perfect formula to steamroll your way to a victory against almost any matchup.

I’m just saying you can give Aikman credit for capitalizing on momentum but players like Rodgers have to literally create it themselves.

 

They aren't even relevant to me. I'm just saying if you're judging two individuals based on their achievements, Mahomes has a while before he catches Aikman. That was the discussion. Aikman had a very good career despite not being the player that Mahomes is. Marino is another great example. As a fan or a team, you take Marino no question. But if you are choosing which QB to be, Marino or Aikman, you'll probably feel more accomplished as Aikman instead of Marino. It's not "who would you rather have". Look at it like "who would you rather be".

This is FAR more defending of Aikman than I've ever wanted to do in my life.

 

Did Aikman have a better career than Brett Favre?

I say no.

 

I would also say no.

 

I’d also say no. He had the ring and three MVP’s and played for nearly double the length.

 

ring, singular

 

Oops, right. My bad.

 

See but he had one ring though, not plural. Aikman had 3 in a shorter time. That’s my counter example to the idea that having more accolades automatically means you had a better career

Like, maybe yeah Mahomes has a ways to go before Aikman but we can already say he’s better than Super Bowl winning quarterbacks Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer haha, it’s not a linear black-and-white thing is all I’m saying.

 

Forgot how good Black by Pearl Jam is.

 

I would already take Mahomes career over Joe Flacco’s. Even if we’re talking money, Flacco was overpaid as shit and Mahomes is still set to earn wayyyy more money

 

I mean that's fine. That's just saying you value being a one time MVP over a one time Super Bowl winner. That's fair. I would too.

 

I think I'd rather be Dan Marino than Troy Aikman but a lot of that has to do with physical proximity to Jerry Jones

 

I fixed it to the one ring but see, now you’re changing the discussion from where it originated. I would agree Mahomes is better than those guys and could probably argue he’s been more successful in that he’s won an MVP, but they’re a far cry from a three-time Super Bowl winning first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback, haha