2018-2019 NFL Season Thread Football • Page 22

Stop the suck fest on Garop for a min and watch that.

 

@Night Channels get in here lol

 

That's 100% the key. Peyton Manning's highest cap hit was for $21,199,998 and I guarantee it's because he had a shit ton of sponsorship contracts keeping his cost lower.

 

And while having Big Ben kept the Steelers in contention many years, his contract (and the constant need to restructure it to create cap space) put the team in a spot 2-3 years ago where they had to do a reset.

I completely understand an NFL GM deciding "oh god, I dont want to be without that"...but, smart money says to sign 2 journeyman guys and hope one pans out

 

I just don’t think it’s a bad move. SF has a bunch of cheap replaceable players right now and they’re already winning because of Jimmy G. On any roster, you pay the most money to the reason you win imo. If you win running the ball, you pay your interior line more handsomely than most teams and pay two RBs not one. If you win passing, you pay your tackles, QB and any receivers who are heavily relied on. If you win with defense you pay your DL and corners the most. Etc

If they were an already good team and were gonna lose some guys because of him my opinion would be different. But that roster has nowhere to go but up. They don’t need to find elite veterans they just need to resign their best drafted players and replace the middling Veterans with more drafted players. Jimmy has shown he can do the rest. They’re far from having any issues re-signing people.

 

You win because of a team. If you think otherwise then you've already lost lol.

 

A great QB gives you far more sustained success than a great team does. I think that's inarguable.

 

Someone post a David Caruso gif, I'm at work.

 

I knew that shit would happen.

 

This is ignoring the fact that you can be a great QB and not the highest paid player in history.

 

I feared it might but didn't expect it to be this bad haha

 

Every great QB has been the highest paid player in history at one point.

 

Dude so what? Are you honestly complaining? You’re still a legitimate, believable contender for the title every season. Steelers kept winning even when the defense went from 1st to one of the worst. That’s why you pay a QB. A top QB can give you stability even when turbulent things happen to your roster.

 

My prediction stands.

Jimmy G will fail.

 

I do not think this is accurate.

 

Not complaining over all, but, if the goal is to win Super Bowls and not just make the playoffs, there's a strong argument we did the wrong thing.

What we lost in those years were a variety of talented WRs because we coudlnt afford their long-term deals (and we lucked into Antonio Brown being as good as he is). We're gonna lose a generational RB because we've got too much money tied up in the passing game.

A new QB instead of Ben + having the O-line, AB, Bell, etc locked down might be more valuable than keeping an aging QB who is prone to injury due to playing style.

 

I just don't think you're looking big picture. In fact, I know you aren't because you're literally arguing with a STEELERS fan about how it's good to pay your QB. Did you forget the playoffs that quickly?

 

Whenever teams sign a QB to a big contract the rest of the roster eventually suffers.

 

The Jags have never had a QB like that so when, inevitably, the team goes through some adversity, we always get fucked way up and go 6-10. The Jags never stay successful, even though we’ve never mega-paid a quarterback it’s still been hard for us to keep a cohesive group of talent together that can win despite below average passing.

I believe that it’s harder to keep the other 52 players together than to keep one elite QB upright. Injuries happen, players want to go to other teams, even without a high paid QB there’s still salary ego and competition among the other players... shit look at fucking Justin Blackmon lol he was a game changer who made Gabbert/Henne look good we just lost him and couldn’t do anything about it.

The best way to win in this league is still to have an elite QB first, and then do the goddamn best you can to not have too many holes. That’s still not as extreme of an expectation as, okay let’s build a perfect defense that never has any holes. Great QBs last long-term and continue to help you compete, more often than “perfect defenses” do. Seahawks LOB is already a shell of their former selves for example, Russell Wilson is easily the main reason they still win.

 

Its actually why having a coach or GM who has a record of drafting QBs is probably the most valuable thing in the entire damn league. Shanahan had that rep, Harbaugh had that rep, etc...if you can cycle rookie QBs every 5-6 years and never pay one the big money deal, you can probably be the Pats dynasty

 

Yeah, though this is far more a function of bad drafting than lack of cap space. We handle things properly, salary cap wise, at CB for years....and then missed on EVERY possible DB pick. But having $15mil in free cap space means you can sign a guy or two in free agency to make up for your deficiencies.

So, San Fran is far more likely to make that Jimmy G deal seem not bad, ebcause they have a good drafting history and have a blank slate to start from. Whereas Cleveland making that same deal, its just a waste of $100+ mil because they are gonna miss on all their draft picks to support him

 

...therefore make it even harder?

This is ACTUALLY false. Like, this legitimately is not true at all. At BEST you can say this about the Patriots if you pretend BB isn't the best ever.

Okay you're right. Russell Wilson did carry them through the playoffs this year.

 

Idk man go back through Super Bowl teams. I think you’ll find that this narrative of defensive teams with no-name QBs winning becuase football is a “team game”... that’s still an underdog narrative. It actually happens maybe 1/3 of the time.

The pre-2008 Steelers, and the Ravens, are the only teams like that who consistently had SuperBowl success. Also the early Oakland Raiders. Other than that you see a lot of Packers, Broncos, Patriots, teams that had excellent quarterback play. You can point to this year’s Eagles or 2003’s Buccaneers, yeah Colin Kaepernick made a Super Bowl, yeah the Giants won twice with Eli Manning. But I can also point to, almost every great QB in the league has a ring lol. Maybe a few Super Bowl- appearing QBs are on the outside borderline and you wouldn’t call them elite like Donovan McNabb Or, probably Matt Ryan and Cam newton when they retire — but those guys LOST Super Bowls to better quarterbacks!!

 

Yes but Tom Brady is the 14th highest paid QB in the league. You need elite QB play but you've got to still build the team. You seem to be thinking I'm saying QBs don't matter. I'm saying that they absolutely matter and you can't win without it but you don't need to sell the farm for the first guy you see that you like.

And almost every one of those QBs aren't one of the highest paid players in the league. And really, how many of them made the playoffs this year?

 

Tom Brady became the highest paid QB in 2010
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...highest-paid-player-nfl-new-contract.amp.html