2018-2019 NFL Season Thread Football • Page 1729

Man, the press conference when Romo did his 'meritocracy' speech... That was emotional.

 

I feel like we were using metaphors and now we are being literal about those metaphors. I obviously didn't mean it in this weird, existential way.

I simply meant, in context of the guitar analogy, my guitar's construction is rare.
In the context of football, Dak Prescott's skillset isn't that rare.

In the literal context of people versus objects?? Of course Dak Prescott or any person is more rare?? But I feel like it should be obvious I wasn't being literal about this haha

 

wonder what Ben's extension will look like.

 

Motherfucker

 

I think McVay lets Goff walk tbh.

 

But that also is not true. Your guitar's construction compared to other guitars is not rare in terms of Dak Prescott's skillset in comparison to aspiring college/HS QBs. A NFL caliber QB is rare as HELL

 

If finding someone as good as Dak wasn't rare, then every team in the league would have a good quarterback.

 

I think Goff is physically talented but if the stories of McVay holding his hand through the headset is true, it seems like a bad idea in the long run because it curbs his mental game. If McVay is doing that because he knows he can do that with almost any quarterback (to an extent) then it could be genius if they can just keep drafting players and McVay just pulling the puppet strings.

 

It is rare haha. He's argued that before too haha

 

It's circumstantial though. Dak is in a situation that is beneficial to mobile QB who don't like to play from the pocket. There's QB in almost every draft who are good at that style of play - these days its harder to find a throwback pocket passer.

Maybe those QB wouldn't be top 20 QB anywhere else (and I'd argue Dak wouldn't either) but in a Dallas or Baltimore style offense, I disagree that it's hard to find a QB who can do what Dak does after year or two of NFL coaching.

His best / hardest to find trait, is he's careful about not throwing picks. But it's because he overcompensates and holds the ball rather than throwing contested passes. That's better than throwing picks but am I spending $30 mill on a QB who holds the ball way too long, and who needs a lot of play action / movement because he can't operate well from the pocket?

I mean that's just more risk and liability to try to justify tying your salary cap to. They need to continue to be one of the best OL & most convincing rushing attacks in the NFL for Dak to continue to succeed. I'd rather pay $30 million to the guy who gets rid of the ball fast, can throw into tight windows, and doesn't risk his body or put as much pressure on the line, because that's more sustainable and not entirely context dependent.

 

Yeah, I know. That's why I'm so defensive of Dak because I know from watching my own team and others that someone on his level aren't just growing on trees and can be plucked in the 4th round in any draft.

 

It was fun for everyone to beat up on Romo because he was the Cowboys QB who had some of his worst moments at the worst times, and I was guilty of it too. But towards the end of his career, I had to give a certain respect to how good he actually was, and he was definitely a super bowl caliber QB.

We know having a young QB can be an easier way to get to the big games because they’re so much cheaper, but we also know that on a big stage they’re often a liability. Oh what could have been I guess

 

How many times do I have to bring up that they were awful at pass blocking the majority of this past year before you stop repeating that?! Haha

Due to health and little experience, 3/5 of the line was maybe MAYBE average the entire year and there were a handful of games without Martin and/or Smith.

 

He'll always be my favorite player because of his high quality level of play and for being the best underdog story on our franchise. Love that man.

 

You realize that sacks can be a QBs fault, right? I would argue that Dak's erratic footwork & tendency to take too long, is partially to blame for Dallas OL underperforming in pass blocking situations. There's nothing subtle about the way he tries to avoid defenders.

 

I think it's a bit of both. But yeah you're right that it's not all the OL's fault in pass blocking.

 

Sure, a quarterback holding onto the ball too long can and does lead to sacks. That's one of Dak's bad qualities that he needs to fix.

At the same time though, he was sacked (I believe) 22 times his rookie season and 25 times his sophomore season. This past season he was sacked 58 times (2nd behind only Watson with 65 sacks) and barely ahead of Wilson at 52 times. So they seemingly got twice as bad as pass blocking but you continue to say they're great? Come on, man, do you just hate Dak specifically or something?

 

He's dug his hole too far haha

 

I just want consistent logic when talking about how good or bad a player is and when Dak is involved, it seems that it's thrown out the window. And that's from the majority of people online I've read, not just him.

 

I mean it does appear to be a bit of both. I know the pass blocking got worse but it wasn't NEARLY as bad as some of the teams in the league. The Cowboys pass blocking while worse wasn't THAT bad in comparison to the league. So it resulted in Dak's sack count increasing because pass blocking getting worse than it was emphasized Dak holding onto the ball a lot.

 

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I have dak ranked literally dead middle of the road for what it's worth. (These aren't actually ranked, i was just listing QBs I believe are significantly better than Dak.)

 

Sack count CAN double for something that simple. A decrease in 1-1.5 seconds in a QB's pocket time can reveal a lot about their play.

 

But our pass blocking was one of the worst in the league. Overall rankings have us around 14th or so, but that's due to our run blocking still being elite. That's unquestionable, they are absolutely one of the best in run blocking. But the fact that they're that damn good at that but are still ranked around 14th overall? Then it's obvious that they were horrendous in pass blocking to drag it down that much.

 

I think that is an alarming stat and that might change my mind a bit on this topic.

I think also he had no receivers before Cooper, and their struggle to get separation made his tendency to hold the ball even WORSE. My thing with him is, a QB can only control what they can control - he needs to learn how to get rid of the ball regardless if someone is open or not. Let alone the fact that I think truly great QBs will make those tight throws at times with no fear or hesitation.

I don't hate Dak but I think his stats in a very misdirection / running game oriented offense kind of mislead us to think he's better than he is. Dallas, believe it or not, is doing a fantastic job working with his flaws. Do you not notice his accuracy is terrible when he tries to play with structure instead of ad-libbing?

In fact, these things kinda make me disagree with people who think Dallas coaching is the worst. We love to point the finger at their offense being limited but why do you think they limit the offense in the first place? It's because there are a lot of passing concepts that Dak really doesn't handle well and they avoid them. Their gameflow sucks but a lot of that is because Dak has to play a specific way to be good.

 

See Goff, Jared where he missed a wide open touch down because he's just too slow in his reads.