2018-2019 NFL Season Thread Football • Page 1727

In a perfect world I'd want the Eagles to sign Wentz now to a cheaper deal since he hasn't stayed healthy, but that won't happen

 

I don't think it's fair because a lot of people seem to think if you're not Rodgers or someone like that then you're shit and you should move on, which just isn't realistic.

 

That's not the context though, the context was paying a QB ABOVE market value because the team arrogantly believes they can just fix it if it goes bad. I think the most common way for GMs to fail at building a complete team, is overvaluing players - and that includes QBs.

like, Matt Stafford is def a middle of the pack QB, but paying him so much has got to have something to do with them continually having holes & missing the playoffs.

If they wanted to give Dak the market value more power to them. I don't think that @Dinosaurs Dish suggesting he would go all the way up to $30-mill AAV is market value. Maybe that's market value for QBs who hit FA, because bidding wars drive up prices. But we've already seen that the QBs who got overpaid in free agency the last two offseasons have so far not been good moves.

 

Yeah, I definitely don't want that to happen because I'd like him to sign for less to help the team, but that's unrealistic. My original point was that something like that could happen because around that amount of money will be the going rate for a starting quarterback by that point.

 

I don't agree with THAT but I do think the bar for being a good QB is much higher than it was now that defenses have to play Operation to break up a pass play

 

Like, I'm not saying don't pay a QB a lot of money. But the money should still be relative to the QBs talent. I'd put Deshaun's market value at $30. Dak's is not that high.

 

A QBs market is what someone is willing to pay them

 

This is basically my whole point. I think if Dak hit free agency, he would be paid a shit ton of money because that's just how it goes for the starting quarterback market.

 

Are we saying Dak is good enough to command whatever price he wants? Come on now. At some point it DOES become more reasonable to let him walk. There is a limit on his value. If the free agency market dictates that his price goes way above his value, so be it but that doesn't mean it's acceptable or a smart football decision. He'd probably struggle even more than Cousins if that happened.

 

Like, the Cowboys should not be DESPERATE for Dak Prescott. He's not an irreplaceable talent. If he asks for Aaron Rodgers money they need to show him the door.

 

Wanna know what I think would be a mistake? If a DIFFERENT team paid Prescott 30mil.

 

I wonder what Dak has to do to prove that he's a good quarterback. On paper with stats and then going with intangible stuff that you can only see by watching the game, he is factually a good quarterback. He's not perfect or elite or anything, but is making/winning a Super Bowl what he has to do for people to admit he's good? How is that fair or reasonable?

Most comeback wins in the league since 2016, 2nd most wins of anyone in the league not named Brady since 2016, stats (not that they paint the picture 100% accurately) that are nearly all around top ten or better, has one of the best records in the league when trailing in the 4th quarter/overtime, etc...

What will it take?

 

But that's the only way his price would go up that high to begin with. If he wanted to sign with a different team that was offering more than the Cowboys. It works the opposite way than what seems intuitive.

 

No no no no no, it would go up that high if his agent was presenting the idea that he WOULD sign with a different team for that amount. It has nothing to do with whether or not he's actually going to enter the market or wants to enter the market, it has to do with the idea that he CAN enter the market.

He might wanna stay a Cowboy forever. That doesn't mean he isn't gonna try and get every cent he can.

 

LOL Randall switching sides when it's a player he doesn't like.

 

I'm just saying Dak is "worth" whatever someone is willing to pay. You can argue all you want about talent and where he should slot in compared to others, but if someone pays him 30M, they value him at 30M.

 

Swing and a miss bud.

 

Exactly. The agency will know that he can and will make a certain amount elsewhere and will use that to negotiate with the Cowboys.

 

Yeah I just don't agree with this haha. Teams definitely pay players more than they are worth. Just because you value something doesn't mean it's actually worth that much.

Like, my guitar is worth $10k for me. But if it got stolen my insurance company would only give me $1k. I value it much higher than its worth.

 

I'm not reading the six pages I missed to be fair, but no this seems like exactly what I said haha.

 

"Jimmy G, in his zero full seasons at age 27, earned his money."
"Dak Prescott, with his superior stats and results and younger age, has not earned Jimmy G money."

 

If you had the option for your guitar to get covered for 1k or for someone to purchase it for 10k, if another person inquires about buying it how much are you valuing it at?

 

Also weird to compare objects to employment but I digress

 

This is just you misinterpreting my point then haha. Every QB has a certain price you should walk away from. For some, that price is higher than others.

If we're bidding on players, and we're at $30 million? I'm no longer bidding on Dak Prescott haha. I would continue to bid on a top 10 QB at that price. Dak is not top 10.

 

Jimmy G's contract was incredibly front loaded, for a team that literally had so much cap space, they had to waste some of it to be eligible for this season. His signing was not nearly as damaging to the salary cap as you seem to suggest. We're talking about point blank paying Dak $30 mill PER YEAR. Jimmy only got that much in his first year and the rest are actually far less.