2018-2019 NFL Season Thread Football • Page 1726

Then that's not a problem of how difficult it is to manipulate the cap, that's a problem of how owners are hiring GMs

 

I just can't understand this. It was a one score game while our defense was getting gashed on nearly every drive and Zeke played poorly. Dak had over 250 yards, two touchdowns, and no turnovers. Very few quarterbacks can win games practically by themselves.

 

I mean, can it not be both?

 

I would say it's extremely hard to find a guy who can manipulate the cap that well and we can't necessarily blame teams for the talent pool being thin. There's such a small group of people in the world who are even qualified to do that job.

 

I guess! But if that's the difference between whether or not you retain your young QB I'm leaning towards the latter.

 

Like, you can say teams that are struggling are "hiring the wrong coaches" all day but the fact of the matter is, its a small chance that a good coach is even gonna be available when they need to hire one.

 

Also a GM's job

Which I know emphasizes your point about how much a GM needs to be able to do

 

The real solution to this is paying college players so that we can get past both the hurdle of players putting their bodies on the line for no pay AND the hurdle of GMs having no real way to develop for the many tasks of major leagues

 

Jax for example... even when a good GM or HC is on the market they don't want to fucking come here lol

Your point seems to suggest that there's 50 good GMs out there and teams can only find 10 of them. I disagree. I think that, most of the time there's only 10-15 good GMs out there period and most of them are already taken.

When you hire a new front office guy, more often than not you're taking a big risk on somebody who made mistakes at their past teams. Or a guy with no experience. Teams with good GMs don't just let them walk lol. The GMs who have been bad before are typically the only ones available for hire. So it's not like you have a choice between a good, proven GM and a potentially bad one.

 

Very good to great QBs could win that game, hence why Dak is the middle of the road imo.

 

Middle of the road seems fair and I do think we can all agree on that

It's just a question of what middle of the road gets paid in the market

 

I agree that very good or great quarterbacks could have taken over, but I disagree that Dak is middle of the road because to me, that implies that keeping him would be a mistake. I think he's 12th-16th or so in the league if I had to rank him.

 

12-16 is middle of the road tier IMO haha

 

That's totally middle of the road.

 

But I mean...look at what we're doing now hahaha. Good GMs know how all of this works and can develop skills to learn the workings of the NFL, how to build contracts, how to scout and hire personnel, how to interview and bring on the right people, how to negotiate trades, etc. And if they can't build these skills (even if not necessarily to a top GM level or even a NFL gm level) why the hell are we debating on this QB's contract?

 

12-16 is average to above average. Middle of the road (to me) like someone like Winston or Trubisky that would rank 16-24 or so.

 

If we wanna have a fun argument let's talk about what Carson Wentz should get paid

 

I think Winston is at the bottom. Trubisky I'd agree is in the middle of the road tier (with Dak IMO)

 

You know where I stand on this.

 

I guess it's just semantics then because middle of the road by definition can't be above 16th ranked in my mind.

 

I'm sure Wentz will sign a huge contract as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he sets the next "most money per year to a QB contract" kind of thing if he stays healthy and still plays well.

 

Because the QB contract is a much more straightforward variable to address than "hire a better GM" haha. The latter is even harder to find than a starting QB. There's a reason teams give GMs such a long time before choosing to go in a different direction, even if he's not great the chances of getting a better GM are super, super slim. And it takes years to even figure out if you made a good choice or not.

In a way they have so many responsibilities that you kinda have to give them credit for the things they're good at, even if they leave something to be desired. Finding a GM who is good at everything is like finding a QB who is good at everything haha, it's just super rare so it's not even worth being the focus of the conversation.

 

Again, if that's the difference of whether or not you retain your starting QB because you're afraid of paying him, I think there's a problem at GM. That's my grand point. If you have a QB worth playing, and you no longer have a QB worth playing because you're afraid of paying him the market value, I think there's a problem.

 

And I think that people thinking someone who could be considered in the top 1/3 of quarterbacks as being 'middle of the road' is a sign that people expect/demand/whatever way too much out of quarterbacks. It's extremely hard to be that good and that's why if you get someone who is that or near that, you hold onto them and build around them.

 

We do! That's the league now, we demand everything of QBs because everything caters to QBs in today's NFL. I think that's completely fair.