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The cap is nearing $200 million over the next couple years and 15% of that is around $30 million a year. $25 million a year was absurdly high not long ago. Every quarterback drafted in 2016 and on that are legit starters will easily make over $25 million and depending on how certain teams handle their long contracts, they'll be pushing $30 million.

 

If it happens, that doesn’t mean that you are right about it being a good move. It just means you’re right that the Cowboys over-value Dak haha

 

Nice this is the longest we've gone without talking about QB contracts in a while

Good work thread let's continue this enthusiasm once this argument ends

 

You know who should get $30 mill? Players like DeShaun Watson. That’s a top notch franchise option at QB.

Dak is not close to being as good as DeShaun. He has efficient stats but that’s because he’s on a team that is dominant at running the ball.

 

There's nothing more valuable in the league than a good starting quarterback and he's proven that he is. And that combined with the cap nearing $200 million a year, it's flat out a fact that starting quarterbacks will be making that kind of money. Denying that is just not paying attention to how that process works.

 

I'm sure Watson will make more than $30 million on his next contract if he stays healthy because he was a first round pick and won't be due for a new contract until after the cap ceiling is over $200 million.

 

You’re not using any frame of reference and you’re just throwing numbers out there. Even now, QB who get paid $26-$27 mill are among the highest paid in the league. Rodgers’s $33.5 mill is a major outlier.

 

If I may...(and this is not ignoring what you said about Watson - I'm definitely excited about him and ready to pay him when the time comes) ... one thing I've noticed from having to watch a lot of Cowboys football is that they're always going to be efficient at running the ball. I know it looks overemphasized by Ezekiel Elliott because of how talented he is, but if they let Zeke walk and got a rookie/low end guy, the Cowboys would still be very efficient at rushing and as a result would make the QB's job pretty easy. If there's a team that can afford to pay a guy who's mainly good because of how well the team rushes, it's Dallas.

 

Like, I think if anything Cousins and Alex Smith are alarming examples of how much you can screw yourself by overpaying

 

I'm not throwing numbers out there. Outside of outliers like Rodgers or Brady, the majority of teams spend about 15% of the cap on a starting quarterback. That is a boilerplate number across the league. And as of right now, that would be about $28 million. By the time Dak is at the point of being extended, that will be the normal amount that QBs get.

 

Good point btw @Fucking Dustin but I still think you’d see Dak throw more picks if they don’t have a 101 yard per game star RB. They can lean on him harder than they could most RB

 

That could be said of nearly every quarterback.

 

I agree with all of this except saying it makes the job pretty easy for Dak. We had a great rushing attack in 2015 and were still a pile of garbage trash on offense because our quarterback play was utterly awful.

Having Zeke made it easier but not easy in general.

 

This literally isn’t true lmao, there are only two QB in the NFL who make at least $28 mill - Cousins and Rodgers

Everyone else is at 27.5 or less

 

You're definitely not wrong that Dak would look worse without Zeke. But I think we'd still end up seeing something like a 65 yard RB1 and a 30 yard RB2 or something like that. (I mean I guess we saw an example during the suspension, he DID look a lot worse but this was also without Cooper so he was pretty low on weapons across the board.)

 

That's another point that I was going to make: we have the frame of reference of 2015 to look back on to justify paying Dak as a guy who's going to do well with big help from the rushing attack. We know the QB position of the Cowboys is not plug and play and while Dak isn't a top 10 QB we know for sure that it's necessary to retain him, because otherwise you end up with 2015.

 

Yes but other teams don’t have that runningback do they?? Hence why even if they posted the same good numbers, Watson > Dak all day cause he carries his offense

Dak does not earn that kind of money. If he gets paid more than Cousins got paid the Cowboys are dumb.

 

The cap is rumored to be between $189 and $191 million, so 15% of that is about $28 million.

Yeah, this is correct. For the most part, Dak played poorly but we are 4-3 without Zeke and Dak playing. He would have to take another step up if we lose Zeke, but I think it's doable especially with Cooper sticking around.

 

I'm saying the idea that a quarterback plays better when they have an elite running game is obvious and could be said for every team, what's incorrect about that?

 

FWIW I have no idea what the Cowboys should pay Prescott. I don't know how to build a good contract. Just contributing 2cents where I see that I can.

 

And I'll say that I still can't stand the arguments about how people point at Dak's surrounding support for his success when every other young quarterback has as good or better support and nobody said shit about that.

The only player that doesn't apply to is Watson and even then he has arguably the best receiver in the league on his team.

 

Dak still bad.

 

Jarred Goff gets brought up when it comes up to this argument.

 

Not to mention that Dak has clearly had the worst, except maybe Watson, coaching out of all the different young quarterbacks that typically get compared.

 

OKAY. So. Two things wrong about this.

1) You're talking about the average team spending on QuarterbackS (plural), not the average team spending on their starting QB only.

2) This chart shows that the average cap spending on QBs (plural) is actually closer to 12-13% if your starting QB isn't on a rookie deal. Only the highest QB contracts take up 15% or more.

Because you're deflecting the logic as if every team is in that situation right now. The Cowboys have the BEST rushing attack in the NFL, hence me saying Dak gets a lot of help compared to better QBs on teams with no OL and no good RB.