2018-2019 NFL Season Thread Football • Page 1529

Every player plays through injuries and pains.

I’m positive when people on here or elsewhere say “injury prone” they’re referring to when someone actually doesn’t play games due to injuries.

 

I looked up his injury history and it's pretty crazy how often he isn't healthy.

 

See I diagree with that. If you constantly get hurt and still play through it you aren't at full strength. Injuries are injuries imo.

 

Aaron Rodgers has had as many seasons ended by iniury as Carson Wentz

 

By what I'm saying is he should still be considered injury prone.

 

the backlash from eagles fans rn is hilarious.

 

I mean, there are clear differences between playing hurt and through injuries and being designated by a doctor as being too injured to be allowed to play.

 

That doesnt mean anything when talking about Wentz though. And yeah, Rodgers is injury prone too. But his injuries across his career arent as bad as two in two years.

 

Cam Newton is another one as well.

 

Yeah Cam also has a problem.

This doesnt make the point you think it makes haha

 

Do we need to make a different term than injury prone? Because y’all are talking about guys who still start nearly every game of their career as injury prone. Rodgers has missed about half a season twice in eleven years. Cam has never missed a significant amount of time.

Every player plays through small injuries and pains.

 

Cam also is more like Luck. His problem is less him and more him not getting proper care.

 

What I'm saying is I constantly hear this about Wentz. Not once have other QBs that I've mentioned whom are pretty great don't get that label when they should. Sometimes I feel like people just decide who they think should be considered injury prone. I'm not saying I don't disagree about Wentz because he does have his injury history

 

But Cam also plays wreckless.

 

Oh yeah for sure. But that works more in his favor against injury prone. Cause an injury prone player that plays like Cam is RGIIi haha

 

Oh yeah thats fair. I think with Rodgers though it was bone breaks which are very different from back and ligament injuries

 

Actually i have no idea if thats true. it sounds true. Could be.

 

I get depressed when RGIII gets brought up.

 

Late to this, but I think it’s funny Dak’s critics say “must be nice to play behind an amazing OL” but fail to mention Wentz’s great season was when he played behind an absolute dominate OL.

 

That's fair too, I've been drinking all day today, so I think that's why emotions are getting to me aha.

 

Hahaha its all good

 

I know you followed this up saying that you have no idea if that’s true, but wouldn’t you think a ligament injury and a back injury are two very different things as well? I would. I’m just curious

 

I think a very important distinction that’s always overlooked is that using the term “injury prone” for dissimilar injuries is usually/probably meaningless. In wentz’s case, his torn ACL certainly predisposes him to doing it again, but that risk is probably completely unrelated to a back injury. Granted, he’s now more predisposed to two future injuries, but I feel like there’s this idea that certain players are predisposed to any and every type of injury and that’s probably not true.

Edit: seeing now that that’s been addressed

 

If you’re going to make an argument that the team around the QB made him better, Wentz is the easier one to make.

Dominate OL, Alshon, Ertz plus a great offensive coach (something else Dak doesn’t have). Sure, Dak has Zeke who is amazing, but Blount/Ajayi was a pretty solid duo that year. Combine those backs with what I listed above and Wentz certainly had a better situation than Dak. And the consider that Nick fucking Foles stepped in and the team didn’t miss a beat and won a SB anyways.

I like Wentz and I’m not arguing Dak is better, but you can just as easily make an argument that he’s overrated as you can with Dak.

 

@CarpetElf I always disagree with you on this injury thing

Injury prone, to me, means that the injuries are repetitive and related. It means that normal wear and tear damages ligaments / muscles, and as a result, minor injuries knock you out of games easier than other players. Like Leonard Fournette.

Or it means that you tore the same ACL / broke the same ankle / got seriously concussed multiple times, and now that part of your body is forever fragile. If Wentz’s back issues persist, for example, I would then say he has a “bad back” and THAT would be a fair reason to call him injury prone.

But it’s flat out unfair that Wentz had two entirely unrelated, singular injuries that would knock ANY player out of games, and you equate that to injury prone. He’s not more or less injury prone than any other player would be in the specific situations where he got hurt. He isn’t more prone to minor injuries, and EVERY player is equally vulnerable to major injuries in a dangerous high speed contact sport.

If you automatically think a player’s knee is fragile after tearing one ACL you haven’t been paying attention to how players bounce back from that lately. Fowler for example I’m pretty sure missed almost zero time after his rookie year ACL tear. Same with DeShaun Watson. But by your logic if he gets a major concussion in year two he’s “injury prone”?

That’s like someone made spaghetti once and then ordered pizza once (which isn’t similar at all) in the same month, and from that you assume they mostly like “Italian food.” Nah, you gotta see them make chicken Marsala 3 times or something before you jump to that conclusion.

Context and how the injury happened matters. Where we differ is I actually do blame Cam Newton more than I blame Wentz. In Cam’s case the team has been irresponsible yeah, but he also makes a conscious decision not to protect himself on the regular. He certainly plays recklessly as was said earlier... he demands the team continue to insert him into games when he’s FAR from 100%.. and you actually can call him injury prone because he has a persistently bad shoulder, that is less durable over a season of normal reps than other QB. Wentz doesn’t have anything like that.