2018-2019 NBA Season Thread [Archived] Basketball • Page 739

I believe that is why JR would be a trade chip. The team who trades for him can cut him and only pay the $3.87 million (while likely getting rid of a bad contract on their own team - which Dan has proved he's willing to take on bad contracts).

NBA Rumors: Cavaliers Should Trade JR Smith After 2018-19 Season, ‘ESPN’ Insider Bobby Marks Suggests

As Marks noted, NBA teams who want to create salary cap space after the season could express interest in trading for J.R. Smith since according to Spotrac, only $3.87 million of the $15.68 million he is owed for the 2019-20 NBA season is guaranteed. In exchange for helping NBA teams save money, the Cavaliers could demand a future draft pick which could enable them to add another young and promising talent on their roster.

And all I said about Love's return (in games that he has played) was that they've at least been fun to watch - win or lose. I didn't say they've turned the corner and are ready to compete. I said they should be ready to compete by the 2020-2021 season and I think that's fair. Sexton will be in his 3rd year, Cedi his fourth and whoever we draft this summer will be in their second year. Also, with money in free agency, I don't expect to sign a superstar, but you can pick up some nice players with the amount of money they should have available.

Plus, with all the draft picks they've traded for in the past year (seven) those will become valuable trade chips as well once they're starting to compete, and I imagine they'll pick up at least 3 to 4 more draft picks within the next year with all their expiring contracts.

I'll just say I have more optimism in this rebuild than I did during the 2010-2011 rebuild.

 

That ESPN insider really didn't look too closely. The problem with a JR trade is that they'd have to take back salary close to his, which will keep them around their $135 million cap total. The luxury tax line is $132 million for 2019-20 and the $135 million doesn't even include the $7-10 million they'll be paying the draft picks this year. Otherwise, if we're just dumping him to a team with salary cap space, we're the ones sending a pick. Either way, Gilbert is not going to want to pay so much for a bottom-10 team.

 

I will say that Love being back has made the Cavs much more watchable. That November/December stretch was so brutal, there was nothing going for that offense other than Clarkson or Cedi getting hot sometimes

 

I'm a big Sexton fan and hope he does well so I'm rooting for the Cavs future

 

Bobby Marks is a pretty well-respected 'insider.' He worked in NBA Front offices for 20 years. Dan Gilbert has proven he's absolutely willing to take on bad contracts. He just did so with Delly, Henson, Brandon Knight, etc. He did it in 2011 when he took on Baron Davis' atrocious contract. I have absolutely zero doubts that Dan Gilbert will continue to take on bad contracts so long as they get a pick or youthful rotational player back in the deal.

Why would the Cavs have to send a pick with JR when the incoming team can just cut him and instead of paying $16 mil, they only pay $3 mil (Cavs would have to deal him by certain deadline - this summer). Assuming the Cavs take on another bad contract, that's the point of dealing JR...to a team that needs salary cap relief. In return, we also get something else (probably a second rounder).

 

For sure. Sexton has been better in the new year as well. They're just fucked on the salary cap next year, which is a nightmare because their revenue will probably dip further since a lot of the season ticket holders had to automatic renew before anything was known about LeBron last year. (Hell, we were pretty optimistic about him returning too.)

 

He got those contracts for the picks/one more year of contracts or for some potential help in an expiring salary. Same for Davis, especially since that pick was completely unprotected and from a horrible team. (Hell, it turned into Kyrie.) Otherwise, he was taking on salaries because we had the best player and was geared towards the pride of getting into the Finals every year.

I'm talking sending a pick to a team that is just absorbing Smith's contract. If we're taking on a contract that's as bad as JR's and getting a pick, that's probably a contract for a horrible player that eats up our salary cap space for multiple years. It's better for them to just cut him than take a salary back that leaves them in the $2.50 tax range just for another bad salary and 2nd rounder.

 

Again though, he continues to prove that even without LeBron, he's taking on bad money/contracts for future assets. I have no doubt he'll continue to do this.

Another team wouldn't really be absorbing anything...They'd be getting rid of a bad contract themself while freeing up about $13 million (assuming they make the $15-16 mil match and then cut JR and save $12 million) With the 2019 Free agency class being huge, there are plenty of teams that will want to free up $12-$13 million to use to sign a player THIS summer, which is why it may make sense to trade for JR. In return, they'd also send an additional asset back to the Cavs for freeing them up $12-$13 mil.

Disagree completely. Cavs are in asset mode. Whatever assets you can get for the future, you take. The Cavs saving 10-15 million doesn't do them any good in the long-term. Again, Dan has proven to spend money to get assets. I have no reason to believe he'll stop doing that now.

Cleveland Cavaliers have spent at least $34 million to add 8 draft picks in last 8 months – Terry Pluto

 

Warriors so woke

 

As if they needed any more reasons to be hated

 

Fuck Bogut

 

Obligatory

 

Bogut gonna go visit himself after they win the championship LOL

 

Super interesting watch:

 

This was all for 1sts while still avoiding the luxury tax though. Hell, they had so much cap space when they made the Davis trade. Luckily, they're under by just $23,000 this year. Either way, it's been reported for awhile:

Dan Gilbert doesn’t want to pay luxury tax if LeBron James leaves

At best, they're looking at an overly conditional 1st round pick in a JR trade/salary dump for someone else. With that not freeing any space for us, Gilbert would be stuck with an estimated $142-145 mil in salaries and $25-32.5 million tax bill. Otherwise, by cutting JR, he gets to $123.2 million with likely enough room to stay under the $132 million luxury tax even with the draft picks. Do you think any GM could convince Gilbert that a conditional 1st/unconditional early 2nd is worth paying an extra $40 million? There's no way in hell Gilbert would ever allow that.

 

I mean...that's quite literally what the Cavs have been doing this season. So, yes.

The link you posted was from over a year ago. Things have changed, as the link I posted - which was from last month- details how the Cavs have spent an extra $34 million to get 8 draft picks (all of which are either heavily protected 1sts or future second rounders).

But there was something else happening, something very few owners are willing to do.

The Cavs have added $34.4 million in contract obligations over the next two years.

Let’s repeat that: As the Cavs have one of the worst records in the NBA as they sort through the rubble of LeBron’s departure, they ADDED $34.4 million to the payroll, according to an NBA source.

That’s how they added those eight draft picks – by using their salary cap room and owner Dan Gilbert’s check book to take on bad contracts.

 

Well, they certainly changed from your first link, which was posted November 26th before they even made a trade this season. Even Pluto outlines it in your second link:

It's incredibly likely that they cut JR and try to use Clarkson/Tristan/Delly/Henson/Knight to net more assets, as long as they stay under the luxury tax.

 

get it spida

 

Mitchell's feet always look huge to me, so I did some research. It turns out they are huge, as he wears a size 17 shoe.

 

Incredible thread

 

simmons won east POTW. ROTY race still going strong

 

I got way too excited when he gave a little hope for relegation in the future.

 

The first link was the Bobby Marks story saying Cavs best interest is to trade JR after season because he’s (aka his contract is) more valuable then, which is true.

The second link outlines the Cavs spending an additional $34 million to pile up draft picks, which again, I believe Gilbert will continue to do.

You don’t think JR’s contract will be valuable to another team trying to cut $12 million before free agency? The Cavs purposely didn’t buyout JR after the trade deadline for this very reason. I believe he’ll 100% be traded.