2017-2018 NCAA Football Season Thread [Archived] Football • Page 49

This is the most Seattle thing you have ever said.

 

Yeah, but Richt was a play away from a national championship game in 2012. Les won a title.

If you fire the great coach who isn't as good as Nick Saban but is definitely a top coach in the NCAA, maaaaaaaybe you find that next great coach. More often, you screw it up (like Texas, Tennessee, Miami, etc) and bring in worse coaches and don't hit that 10-11 win mark anymore.

 

Mark Richt stinks

He was once a great coach that became stuck in his ways and didn't adapt with the game.

 

You can't fire your great coach because you'll end up like Miami? Miami has Richt now so which is it haha

Also, LSU has the best coordinator duo in the country while Georgia looks alive again, Texas has Tom Herman, Tennessee actually hurts your argument because Butch Jones SHOULD be fired.

 

I mean sure, but that's a decade after Larry Coker and they had Randy Shannon and Al Golden in between and "The U" isn't a scary college football force anymore

 

I don't get the argument here.

Don't fire your stagnant coach because look at all these examples of how teams have done it and improved but also look at Tennessee and Notre Dame because they haven't done it and are drowning?

 

I didn't say they were gonna suck, some people picked them to win the PAC 12 and I was addressing that

 

Jones was incredible yesterday

 

He's the next Jamaal Charles.

 

Not really. I mean you do realize the Seahawks have had the best HFA for how many years now?

You can also buy beer anywhere in that stadium so...

 

I'm confused by your assessment of Washington and Stanford. Who is your pick to win the P12N?

 

Wait, I was just saying I thought that if they moved the huskies up a spot because Rutgers was a good team; that's probably wrong.

 

Brian Kelly has made so many decisions in the last seven years that have left me slamming my head into a wall...but the decision to wear this tie with this jacket has got to be top 3 worst



In all seriousness, I've been ready for Kelly to be fired for a few seasons. Yesterday doesn't change that one way or another, I don't think we lost the game because of him (maybe a macro argument could be made for that but eh I dunno) but I still have zero confidence in his leadership.

I think after we (probably) get rocked by USC, Miami and (maybe) Stanford there probably will be a lot more ppl who agree with me too.

 

Y'all out of your mind with the standards you set on coaches in the most parity-laden era of athletics. It's like every coach should be Bear Bryant and Nick Saban and there are no other levels of acceptable successes. These are unreasonable requests by fans who feel entitled to relieve a past they never experienced.

 

I'm not trying to relieve anything besides a little frustration thanks for the concern tho

 

HoHoHo....I don't care about Nebraska, I'm posting this for the other team.

 

I'm sorry, but it's not unreasonable nor is it entitled. You are just acting like the one who scores the most points in the end is all that matters when the reality is far more complicated than that. Who wins is important, sure. But how you get there is so much more important. A 9-4 record for Virginia is incredible. For Miami, it means you fall short against your peers 100 percent of the time. You aren't 9-4. You are 0-4. Which is why Brian Kelly has to go. You say he has all of these wins? I say look at the losses. Sure, someone else may not be able to win those games too. But you've got "may not" in one corner and "will not" in the other and you've yet to explain to me why the latter is somehow the obvious choice.

 

I never said all that matters is scoring points. What I was saying is that there is a small group of elite coaches that can win 11+ games with regularity. There are more programs with rich histories than their are elite coaches. That leaves a lot of universities on the outside looking in. I'm not advocating keeping someone around for a consistent 9 wins every year -- and I agree that changes have to be made at some point. But the insinuation that guys like Richt, Kelly, etc., are bad coaches is laughable; the insinuation that programs 'deserve' better based on a history that -- largely -- happened decades before any of the kids currently playing the sport were even born is laughable. Among coaches with at least 10 years as a head coach, Kelly is eighth in winning percentage. Among coaches with at least five years as a head coach he is 11th. I think we would all agree that 11 wins is a damn good year, right? 11 wins in a 14 game season is a 0.785 winning percentage. No go look at that chart. Count the guys with that level of winning percentage in their career that are currently coaching. It's Urban, Chris Petersen, Jimbo Fisher, David Shaw, and a couple of other guys like Lance Leipold who has had immense D3 success but is early in his D1 HC career and guys like Tom Herman or Bryan Harsin who have less than five years, though we can agree that they're likely pretty good coaches.

My over-arching point has more to do with the schools (and their fans) than anything else: schools and fans have immense and unrealistic expectations for their schools. I'm not saying schools should settle for 9 win seasons every year and not try to push beyond that. I'm saying that schools and their fans need to readjust their expectations of what success truly is in the modern college football landscape.

 

They absolutely do need to adjust their expectations, I fully agree and was vehemently against Les Miles being fired in 2015. In 2016 though? I get it. Kelly is pretty good. He has done his best work with great assistants and a great roster though, and an immense amount of luck. Let's not pretend like those numbers actually mean anything though. He's not the 11th best coach. He's a fine coach. He should be a head coach, absolutely. It's not about winning nine games all the time. It's about going somewhere. The Irish (and Vols) simply aren't doing that.

 

And I'm sorry but it's hilarious that the UGA, Michigan State, and Tennessee fans are liking that post hahaha.

 

I noticed that too....

 

I am embracing the Orgeron and Riley regimes. Come to the other side, it's great. Except Joe. Joe is just fucked, sorry.

 

Just at us next time yo.

Butch has brought us forward from where we were under Kiffin/Dooley. I'm in the camp where I think we never should've fired Fulmer in the first place. We should've gone 10-2 last regular season and 8-4 was wildly unacceptable. Butch should've lost his job for that, but that was our first time with expectations since 2008. But the 8-4 season the year before that was pretty acceptable considering the circumstances. I expect a lot out of Tennessee historically, but if Butch is in charge we won't get there. I'm not okay with that, but I'm also acutely aware via experience that dumping coaches in a carousel doesn't work to stabilize a program. Stabilizing under a decent coach is a necessary step in the process in my mind.

Now bring in Les and make Tennessee who they were in the 90s again.

 

I would LOVE Les in Tennessee. I would love that so much haha.

 

Why would you bring in Les Miles when a Tennessee legend like Tee Martin is out in Los Angeles just waiting to become the next great head coach in college football?