2017-2018 NCAA Football Season Thread [Archived] Football • Page 10

Lmao

 

David Shaw - Hot Takes from the Hot Seat

It's surface level funny, sure. But aside from the hypocrisy, ignorance regarding just how bad those parts of the country are, and the irony of insulting players who he continually loses to, I feel like he didn't really make that great of a point haha.

 

He's not wrong. It's much harder to recruit for schools with high academic standards and no wiggle room.

 

Oh yeah, of course, technically. I'm pretty sure he's just throwing shade though. So like, he's not wrong but I wouldn't say he's right either haha.

 

Well, I mean I don't know how he said it but I could see why people would want to throw shade because it sounds a bit arrogant. I think he has every right to be a little pompous after how good they ended up being last year though.

 

Not saying he shouldn't be but I don't think he's even remotely on any hot seat.

I think he's still widely regarded as a Top 3 coach in the PAC-12.

 

Schools like Stanford and ND (among others) definitely shop down a different aisle in the recruiting profiles based on their offer requirements. The irony in Shaw's statement is that once you're in Stanford, their academic requirements aren't as strict as other programs. That's neither right or wrong, but just the reality. Stanford (at least as of a couple years ago) offers a lot of easy classes and majors for its athletes. There is obviously a good chunk that choose legit majors and grind it out. But for how elite of a school it is, there is a big difference in the type of program you could be in.

 

It's also kind of an idiotic critique when one of the starting QBs of the region he threw shade at was a legit rocket scientist who has a standing job offer with NASA once he's done with the NFL.

 

I guess there's that too. I don't really have an opinion on satellite camps. I get both sides of it, but the team I cheer for has definitely benefited in the past from the camps, so to be holier than thou about it seems incorrect.

 

While you are absolutely correct, let's not take that to be anything but a testament to how bad the coaches are in the Pac-12. Who else could there be? Willie Taggart and Justin Wilcox are rookies, Clay Helton might as well be a rookie, Rich Rodriguez and Todd Graham might as well be on fire right now, Mike MacIntyre needs at least another ten win season before we consider him a candidate. Leach, Anderson, and Whittingham aren't very good. Chris Peterson, Jim Mora, and David Shaw are literally the only options haha. The latter two need to win and win now. When your recruits are at a top level and you're consistently putting out great NFL talent, there's a big problem when you aren't delivering at the collegiate level; we call it, the Les Miles Conundrum.

 

I'm not sure Mora is really that good of a college coach. Recruiter, absolutely. Him and his staff definitely get after that aspect. But I'm not so sure that Mora couldn't have done better the past few seasons given his talent level.

 

Jim mora is awful, he'll be coaching Washington state in three years

David Shaw did well even when chip Kelly was hc, Arizona and Arizona state had solid seasons and even Oregon state was decent. He's good. Last year, maybe they would've been worse; sure but they looked pretty good against good competition too.

But Shaw will leave, sooner than later. I'm still shocked he didn't take the niners job.

 

David Shaw only coached two seasons with Chip Kelly. He had Andrew Luck for one of those years and lost by 23 points.

 

Recruiting is like, 90% of success in college athletics. To dismiss someone as a "great recruiter only" is missing, IMO, the largest portion of success in college athletics.

 

Mariota was p.good

 

This is super true. X and Os matter but if you have the best players it makes up for a ton

 

This is a ridiculous statement.

 

Thank you for the response.

 

He's not wrong though. Recruiting is a big part of success but recruiting is not coaching. Everyone recruits. Shit, Snoop Dogg recruits. Jameis Winston recruits. It is what you do with those recruits that matter.

 

Yes, I was hyperbolic saying that recruiting is 90% of winning in college athletics. However, it is, IMO, the majority of the complex formula needed to win. There are strong relationships between recruiting and winning, and I will acknowledge that it's tough to figure out the chicken or the egg scenario, there are a lot more teams winning with better players than there are teams winning with less talented players.

Edit: I also hate anecdotal evidence as well, but I've talked to several FBS coaches in the past and they said that recruiting is paramount, the most important thing they concentrate on. You can have the best technical cooking skills in the world, but if you're using shit ingredients your food is not going to be good. I also know how douchey it sounds when I say "i've talked to several FBS coaches." I cringed when I wrote that. I don't want cool guy name drop like that.

 

I've been fortunate enough to work at both levels and your statement is insulting and as I said, ridiculous.

Recruiting is certainly very important, especially in the power conferences, but there's way more that goes into collegiate sports than you seem to realize.

 

Understand your opinion on the matter. I have worked around a couple of division 1 sports as well, albeit not as a coach, and have asked the question to several coaches and all said that recruiting is more important. Their feeling on it is that they can do more with great players than they can otherwise. Great recruiting gives them a higher 'floor' of success, if you will.

 

I mean I think both are important but it does seem like good recruiters that are meh coaches get by having decent but not good seasons a lot. The meeting point is definitely somewhere in between.

 

They are two separate things. And a head coach is not the only person recruiting.