2016-2017 NFL Season Thread [Archived] Football • Page 185

I don't think the combination of Matthews/Agholor/Huff/DGB is THAT bad. Gotta remember that Gordon is out, so you're talking Coleman/Pryor/Hawkins against the above.

 

Matthews/Agholor/DGB/Ertz is bad because there should be no reason why that isn't a top receiving corps.

 

I feel like he could've genuinely done well but his work ethic was SO bad

 

2013 Draft
1 (6) Barkevious Mingo, OLB/DE - D+ - I imagine he'll be much better in NE
2 (Would have been 37) Used to select Josh Gordon - A+ if it weren't for the suspensions; B- otherwise
3 (68) Leon McFadden, CB - F
6 (175) Jamoris Slaughter, S - F
7 (217) Armonty Bryant, DE - A- - Another suspension wonder, but great value to find a solid contributor in the 7th.

2014 Draft
1 (8) Justin Gilbert, CB - F
1 (22) Johnny Manziel, QB - F
2 (35) Joel Bitonio, OG - B+
3 (71) Christian Kirksey, LB - B-
3 (94) Terrance West, RB - D
4 (127) Pierre Desir, CB - D

Why do I do this to myself?

 

The problem with this group is that it lacks a true #1. DGB absolutely has the potential to be that and I think Agholor does too but to date, neither of been that. Matthews is a nice slot weapon but cannot beat press on the outside to save his life.

If DGB comes in a plays to his size and forms into a nice weapon then I think the Eagles will have something here to take pressure off the other guys.

But again, the Eagles have to go skill position heavy in the next draft.

 

I'm still terrified Cam isn't going to spread the ball around like he did so well last season. He has such a boner for Benjamin.

But the group of Benjamin/Funchess/Olsen/Philly/Ginn looks so good on paper.

 

Didn't even get claimed

 

They have good depth there but yea, something is up.

 

Based off the Browns QB evaluations over the years, I think this is a good thing for the Eagles.

 

Go ahead and induct Wentz into the HoF

 

I'm not inducting him into anything....but I'll take the upside of Wentz any day of the week over RGIII and Cody Kessler (lmao gigantic fucking fartttttttttttttt).

Wentz might end up being shit and I think he's probably in for a bumpy rookie season but his upside blows both of those two out of the water.

Oh well....Shit QB Bowl 2016 is in Week 1 so we'll get an early jump on this argument.

 

Bills 2013 Draft:
1 (16) - EJ Manuel - LOL F
I have nothing nice to say about this pick. EJ seems like a real nice guy and a very bad QB.

2 (41) - Robert Woods - B
He's about as solid as they come. Dependable, not flashy, receiver and an outstanding, tenacious run blocker. Kid plays with an edge that I love. Played most of last season on a torn groin and looked awful, I'm hoping for a nice bounce back season...but not too nice because I want him to re-sign.

2 (46) - Kiko Alonso - as a player alone, C.
But when you consider he was flipped straight up for Lesean McCoy, A.

3 (78) - Marquise Goodwin - D
Man, if this dude could stay healthy he can FLY. But he's literally almost always hurt. Should be the #4 WR this year and a target for Tyrod's beautiful deep throws.

4 (105) - Duke Williams - B
Very average in coverage, but this dude can knock people out in run support and is the team's top backup at safety.

5 (143) - Jonathan Meeks - C-
About all you can expect from a late round pick. He had a nasty neck injury early in his career but is a pretty good special teams player.

6 (177) - Dustin Hopkins - N/A
Ol Golden Shoes never had a chance. Tore his groin in training camp and was replaced by Red Dog Dan (Carpenter).

7 (222) - Chris Gragg - C
Actually a pretty decent pick for a 7th rounder. He's improved each year as both a blocker and receiver but will miss 2016 because Deangelo Hall is a trash human being.

Bills 2014 Draft:
1 (4) - Sammy Watkins - B
Injuries (and bad QB play in 2014) have hampered his production this far but if he is healthy this season he should blow up.

2 (44) Cyrus Kouandijo - D+
I hated this pick when it happened. I still hate it now. The only thing keeping this pick from being a complete and total bust and an easy F is that he got a LOT of reps at LT in camp and preseason this year with Cordy Glenn nursing an ankle injury and he actually looked...pretty good. The problem is they need him at RT where his jacked up knee hampers his play and he's a friggin tire fire.

3 (73) Preston Brown - A
Three year starter, really thrived at WLB in Jim Schwartz's scheme. Seemed to struggle with Rex Ryan's scheme in year 1 but looks like his old self this year. Average in coverage but very good downhill player and a good defensive play caller.

4 (109) Ross Cockrell - F
Cut before 2015 season. Could not play the press man needed to stick in Ryan's scheme.

5 (153)Cyril Richardson - F
Fat and slow, no push...wasted pick.

7 (221) Randell Johnson - F
Physical specimen but raw with no real position in this defense, did not make the 2016 roster.

7 (237) Seantrel Henderson A+
A real lottery ticket style pick, Henderson started all of 2014 and most of 2015 with mixed results. As it turned out, his struggles in 2015 coincided with his medical troubles, culminating with him losing almost 20 pounds in the week leading up to the Philly game in December. He was finally diagnosed with Crohn's disease. Allegedly his total weight loss following intestinal surgery was almost 50 lbs from his playing weight. He wasn't cleared to practice until late in camp and only played one preseason game, then hasn't practiced since, but did make the 53 man roster. He looked like his old self in that game and played nearly the whole thing, even though he's still not back to his old playing weight.

 

I think this is gonna be a fun season. I hope, at least.

 

2013 Draft:
1 Eric Reid S - B: Solid starting safety.
2 Tank Carradine DE/OLB - D+: Has not performed up to his draft selection, but has looked solid this offseason with a move to OLB
2 Vance McDonald TE - D+: Slated starter, but has been very disappointing as a receiver. Good blocker
3 Corey Lemonier OLB - F: Did not make the roster this year. Had a promising rookie year, but failed to do anything after that.
4 Quinton Patton WR - C: Starting at WR2 this year, hasn't produced but has stuck around which is something for a 4th.
4 Marcus Lattimore RB - F
5 Quinton Dial DL - A: Good starter on the DL.
6 Nick Moody LB - B: No longer on the team, but served as quality depth at the position for awhile.
7 BJ Daniels QB/ATH - D: Showed some promise in camp and preseason his rookie year, but didn't make a contribution.
7 Carter Bykowski OT - F: Have absolutely no memory of him.
7 Marcus Cooper CB - B: Didn't do much for the 49ers, but has started games for other teams and been a pretty solid contributor given his seventh rounder status.

2014 Draft:
1 Jimmie Ward DB - B+: Struggled his rookie year, but played very well last year in the slot. Slated starter at CB2 outside this year.
2 Carlos Hyde RB - B: Has looked very good whenever he's on the field, sadly hasn't been on the field all that much.
3 Marcus Martin C - C-: Martin has started some games for the 49ers, but hasn't played well. Now just a backup.
3 Chris Borland LB - A+/D-: hard to grade this, as a player he was very, very good but obviously only gave the 49ers one season.
3 Brandon Thomas OT/OG - F: Despite hype, never seemed to recover from ACL. Disappointing pick.
4 Bruce Ellington WR - C-: I love Ellington as a player, but he just can't stay healthy.
4 Dontae Johnson CB - C+: Has started some games, and showed flashes, but he's really just a backup.
5 Aaron Lynch OLB - A: Quality starter as a very good pass rusher. Suspension hurts him a tad.
5 Keith Reaser CB - B: Good depth in the secondary
6 Kenneth Acker CB - B+: Started last year and played well given circumstances. Traded this offseason for a futuer pick, good value for a later rounder.
7 Kaleb Ramsey DT - F: Another player I don't remember at all.
7 Trey Millard FB - F: Didn't do anything.

 

Best review imo

 

Javon Hargrave listed to start for Pittsburgh at NT. Davis, Burns, and Matakavich all listed as primary backups.

Have a good feeling about this draft class.

 

"Good QB"

Bahaha okay guy.

 

I don't think Seattle wins more than 9 games this year.

 

Bucs 2013 NFL Draft

2. Johnathan Banks CB - C+ it's weird because he played well the past two seasons but last year lovie doghoused him because he wasn't playing well in his Stone Age Tampa 2 anymore. This year he has come very close to being traded or cut as well but has proven he is a solid player every time he's pushed to the brink, he did extremely well in game 4 of the preseason (like he should have). He made the roster but unless an injury happens he likely will not be a starter.

3. Mik Glennon QB - B - I was disappointed when this pick was made but he was solid in his first year as a starter despite having garbage OL and an injured V.Jax, he made Tiguan underwood look like a quality receiver. He got killed his second year under lovie because the OL was literally traffic cones and got benched for top qb josh McCown. I still think he's a solid starter, I think having a good backup is extremely important in the league. He will probably get paid more than licht is willing to give him and be a starter so I assume this is his last year on the team.

4. Akeem Spence DT - C - I think he's a fine backup dt who's versatile between the spots in a 4-3, he played really well next to McCoy in his first year but had suspension issues the past two years. He was basically benched for lovies boys so he was rotational at best. I think he'll get much more playtime this year as the 3rd dt.

4. William Gholston DE - B - I was okay with this pick at the time given the upside of a man of his stature. He started to really break out two years ago, makin plays as a rotational de and sometimes a dt in subpackages. He's grown as a player every year, he did a good job starting for awhile at the end of last year and I expect him to get a good amount of change this offseason.

5. Steven means DE - D- - he was a rotational pass rusher who was fine but once lovie came in he kicked his behind out quick. He gone.

6. Mike James - C - there's something to be said about that one guy who keeps somehow making the roster and sticking as solid depth. He isn't anything like edgerrin but he's a hard worker and sticks.


Bucs 2014 NFL Draft

1. Mike Evans WR - A- - tremendous upside, played like a top receiver the past two years despite his first year being with josh McCown blindly throwing the ball with 7 defenders in his face because no one blocking for him. For some reason his catching was off last year otherwise he'd have been a top 10 receiver easily with half the balls he dropped. He's been working on that nonstop this offseason, hopefully he turns that A- into an A this year with a healthy v.jax lining up across from him.

2. Austin Sefarian-Jenkins TE - C - I was excited when this pick was made, I heard some gronk comparisons were being made for asj. They hadn't had anyone solid since old man Dallas Clark so I thought this was cool. Unfortunately the only thing similar to gronk has been his injury luck, constantly injured and I think because of that he's lost some confidence. I was generous with this grade for sure, I have a hope that he'll light it up at some point this year. The new coaches have been trying to inspire him and light a fire under him all offseason, maybe that's just what he needs.

3. Charles Sims RB - B+ - I love this guy. He's a great third-down, change of pace guy who catches the ball damn well and runs solid routes. I think he would be a starter on most teams in the league and he still hasn't hit his prime yet. To be honest when he was drafted I thought they might use him as a receiver even more haha

4. Traded for Logan mankins - A+

5. Kadeem Edwards OG - F - he was a developmental player with upside and failed to show much of anything, he gone.

5. Kevin pamphile OG/OT - B - He was an extremely raw tackle prospect. I didn't expect anything at the time but now I expect big things from him, he's been killing it in practice and was great as a rotational swing tackle guy. He's probably a future starting guard for them, maybe more.

6. Robert Herron - F - never did much, still can't make a team.



Thoughts: before I made this I thought this was going to be far worse but it's not that bad.

 

They have four bad division games, Dolphins, Falcons, Saints, Bills, Eagles, and Bucs. That is ten games assuming they lose to every single good team they play.

 

They have some good WRs. And the defense is still great. People shouldn't be underestimating them.

 

Rams swept them last year.

Also I bet they lose at New Orleans.

 

I've said it a few times. Seattle is such a different team away from Century Link. It's weird.

They are gonna squash the Eagles at home though so that'll suck to be in attendance for. Oh well.

 

Right, the Rams haha.