2016-2017 NCAA Football Season Thread [ARCHIVED] Football • Page 142

I'm not saying LSU is a better team than Michigan here. I'm saying they are a better team than fucking Boise State. Something that you've never once backed up and just again ignored. Why is Florida State better? Boise? Tennessee? Anyone? Bueller...? You can't just state half a fact and then pretend like you told the whole story. "LSU isn't top 20 worthy" is not a statement that can survive simply by listing their flaws. You never once compared those flaws to anybody else's.

 

I create my own ranking based on everything. Overall record, wins against top 10/25 opponents, wins against teams over .500, road wins, and subtract points for losses to non-ranked teams or teams that aren't even .500 and home losses.

I don't do anything that involves score, so your words like "they barely lost" or "barely win" is irrelevant to me. It's a nice thing to say as a fan or a head coach, but in sports you are what your record says, or else every team can go ahead and make an excuse for every win and every loss.

Based on that, LSU has 3 losses, only 1 road win, 0 wins against ranked teams, and only 1 win against a team over .500. I don't penalize them on their losses at all, although taking their record still matters.

now look in 2 weeks, that Ole miss win might improve...and you'll have wins over Florida and A&M and then I'll give them the respect they deserve...and then you can say you have 4 quality wins to go with those 3 great losses of yours and now we're talking.

 

So who is above LSU in your rankings then?

I'm not involving score either. That's not what barely lost or win means, for one. For two, that's not a nice thing to say, that's called actual analysis. It's not an excuse and again, the "win is a win" mantra is the laziest way to look at sports. And yeah, you can say a lot about certain wins and losses. What does that matter? It's analysis.

Their record does not matter more than the actual games though. That's absolutely ridiculous.

They could literally beat Florida so bad that Jim McElwain walks off the field, quits his job, walks to Tallahassee, and kisses the bare ass of Jimbo Fisher and LSU's most impressive game this season is Alabama.

 

Would love for Louisville to lose tonight. Don't see how anyone could pull for Petrino. That dude is the worst.

 

I'll be pulling for that too

 

"LSU doesn't deserve to be top 20".

"In what way does that make sense?"

"In my own ranking system that functions nothing like how rankings work in real life."

How do you expect someone to take that argument seriously haha? You can't just claim points and prior rankings of teams don't matter when they actually do and you're just choosing to ignore them.

 

Love It

 

Love this guy

 

The rankings dont work based on quality wins, quality of schedule? Of course they do. It's ALL that, with a tiny bit of eye test sprinkled in.

I thought I provided reasons why LSU doesn't deserve to be in the top 20...stuff like, no wins against ranked teams, only 1 road win, and only 1 win against a team over .500 (things that most other teams in the top 20 have) and yes the difference can be as small as one more of something or one less of something.... but that wasn't enough, so i had to explain that i take everything into account (quality of losses, schedule and overall record)), which is precicesly how rankings work. That still wasn't enough, so I gave up.

 

"It wasn't enough" is a convenient way of saying you have a bad argument and kept ignoring me so you didn't have to face that.

I'm saying they are a better team than fucking Boise State. Something that you've never once backed up and just again ignored. Why is Florida State better? Boise? Tennessee? Anyone? Bueller...? You can't just state half a fact and then pretend like you told the whole story. "LSU isn't top 20 worthy" is not a statement that can survive simply by listing their flaws. You never once compared those flaws to anybody else's.

Conveniently, this was never once addressed.

Anyway, watch football before trying to talk about it. I don't know what else to say at this point. If that Alabama game wasn't a top 20 worthy performance then it's abundantly clear you don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about.

 

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I'm extremely lenient to what i consider a quality win. At this time are they ranked or at the very minimum are they over .500 (bowl teams). Most of these teams I'm comparing to LSU have more (now remember when i say more, it's a difference of 1 or 2, which in college football is a lot considering how short the schedule is). Boise has a win against a ranked opponent to go along with 4 road wins. Sure it's in a weaker conference, and I take that into account, but even with that I have them ahead. Tennessee has only played ONE team under .500 all year. While they lack the road wins, their entire schedule has been nothing but quality programs, and if they didnt lose to South Carolina, they'd be rolling right now ('im glad to see the committee has acknowledged this). Florida State lacks the great win, but they've sprinkled in a few decent wins to go with quality losses as well. I'm not a huge florida state fan but they have at least a few decent wins.

I can go team by team and it all goes back to my original argument, which you deem "bad", that I focus on quality wins, which LSU lacks. They could rack up two quality wins in the next two weeks and the ole miss win could look better and then we're all good.

The funny thing is that the committee has shown that they see what I see in a lot of these programs and their resumes (Tennessee being as high as they are, Boise being ahead of WM, the pac getting more respect), it's just the LSU/Auburn rankings that bug me. The SEC has earned the respect, which is clearly why they're getting these rankings, so I guess it's fine. I'm not a SEC hater or anything.


edit to address your final comment: I'm not going to ignore an entire season because of how you guys looked in one game (which you lost). I watch plenty of college football, I'd suggest you watch teams other than LSU/sec once in a while.

 

but like I've said...all of my opinion will change after they beat Florida and A&M, so this entire argument doesn't matter, which is why i haaaate arguing rankings before the seasons over.

 

This makes absolutely no sense. They have no quality wins because they knocked Ole Miss and Arkansas out of the polls but if they knock Florida and A&M out of the polls then they'll have quality wins? And Ole Miss isn't a quality win for LSU but it is for FSU despite LSU playing a better game. And Alabama isn't a bad loss for USC despite getting demolished but it counts against LSU who played Alabama better than any team has in the last five years? Boise State, who barely squeaked by BYU and Colorado State, who gave up 31 points to San Jose State, is better purely because they beat Washington State thanks to a fluke defensive touchdown? Florida State has decent wins? Against who? Miami, who has the same record as Arkansas? Ole Miss, who LSU had a better game against?

LSU has quality wins against Ole Miss and Arkansas and a quality loss against Wisconsin, Auburn, and Alabama. Losses matter too. In fact, they matter MORE. It's easy to see how a team wins. Even easier when all you're doing is looking up ESPN schedule's and going "well they played on the road here" and "this team is ranked" and acting like that's all you have to do.

I'm not ignoring the entire season and I typically watch 20-30 games a week. Your system is meaningless and contradictory. Watch games. Rank teams based on their performances and the context of those performances. Anything else is actually just pointless.

 

Okay. I'm over it. we are clearly on different spectrums here

 

I don't understand this statement.

 

No one has held Alabama to 10 points since LSU last did in 2011. That was meant to say their defense. I said it earlier so I didn't include it the second time just given the context of our conversation.

 

Ole Miss, Auburn, Clemson, and Ohio State are the only teams that have scored 40+ points on Alabama in the past three seasons...and two of them beat Alabama.

I think Alabama is seen as more of a defensive powerhouse, especially this season with a freshman QB (even if Hurts has been outstanding).

So who played them better?

 

This argument has been exhausting to witness y'all.

 

More important...

Who would win: Fresno State or Kansas?

 

Fresno State got dat dude, Jeff Tedford back so them.

 

I'm totally on board with your argument with Domo. (You've crushed him).

But there's been a handful of teams that have put up an impressive performance against Bama in recent years but still lost. 2014 Arkansas almost got it done. And Tennessee in 2015. Both of those teams were equally as impressive against Bama as LSU was this year.

 

Ballsy Houston Ballsy

 

Lol...bye, Louisville.

 

Fair. I remember that Arkansas game was very very good as well. I was moreso just using the score as a metric. Especially since they were one blown play away from 3-0 game.

 

This is awesome so far