1999 in music. • Page 9

Also, some other '99 mentions that, while I don't think are top-to-bottom great, probably connect with this crowd:

Fenix TX - Fenix TX - One of the many Blink jr bands that emerged in '99. Never quite hit it big but got an additional push being on MCA and with Blink taking them out on multiple tours.

The Juliana Theory - Understand This Is A Dream - Probably what many people who came of age in the 90's still think of when they think of "emo". TJT made better records in the 00's but this is a pretty good dry run.

Splender - Halfway Down The Sky - Another major label collection of pop/rock ditties that just never made it anywhere. "I Think God Can Explain" was, I believe, a minor hit in 2000.

Moist - Mercedes Five And Dime - acoustic driven pop/rock from one of Canada's biggest alt-rock bands (thx MuchMusic)

Chevelle - Point #1 - Debut album from Chevelle with a very raw Tool sound (as opposed to their major label output which has a very PRODUCED Tool/Deftones sound). Steve Albani produced this.

Blur - 13 - Blur has always been hit-or-miss with me but there is some great stuff on here.

AFI - Black Sails In The Sunset - This is a bit too one dimensional for me and AFI would get much better at dynamics in the 00's but, damn, there are some ragers on here.

 

right haha. they’re a pop act now. there’s very little comparison to be made between jimmy eat world (how this convo began) - who to their credit has remained fairly consistent sonically - and fall out boy/panic/even my chem. all those bands were a fraction of the size of the bands being discussed when they were actually emo bands/phc (in mcr’s case), and only became massive when making a pivot to more of the pop rock world

 

And that's fine but I believe the question asked was if the NYC Rock Revival scene was the biggest non-country guitar movement in the last 20 years but my answers remains firmly "no" as the Warped Tour/emo bands who leveled up were significantly bigger and more culturally impactful.

 

There is no such thing as truly big and impactful non-country guitar music post 2005 so in the end it’s tiny apples and oranges

 

the conversation began by saying is this it was a bigger album than bleed american. it was. and that i’d be surprised if bleed american would win a poll on any other site over is this it, which is subjective. all of this other stuff just devolved out of tangential threads. it’s fine.

 

i like clarity i’m glad it’ll win. lol. what a weird hill to be on.

 

LCD rules, cmaaan.

The difference in the two genres imo is that you have a small group of emo bands who are mainstream famous but anyone less famous than Taking Back Sunday is essentially irrelevant, vs indie which feels a lot more mainstream adjacent after the headline level acts. Phoebe is more famous than any emo band currently, no?


Bleed American and Is This It are both good but neither’s making my 2001 list. And sometimes I feel like this site underrates clarity if anything by propping up later Jimmy Eat World albums as its equal, but I suppose that’s a separate train of thought.

 

Artist ranking in order of their viability of headlining a major festival in 2022:

LCD Soundsystem
My Chemical Romance
The Strokes
Paramore
Fall Out Boy
Yeah Yeah Yeahs




Panic
Interpol
Rapture

 

Viability of headlining a festival is not an apples-to-apples comparison. There are small festivals that YYY's and Interpol can headline. A better question is "Who can book an arena tour and sell it out the quickest." MCR, Fall Out Boy and Panic can do that much quicker than YYY's, Strokes or Interpol could.

 

yep this is pretty much spot on, maybe swap Panic and Interpol but that's splitting hairs. Jimmy is below them but above the rapture, a band I did not know existed and is definitely smaller than TV On the Radio/The National/a few others of these Meet Me In the Bathroom-core bands

 

I specifically said "major festival" not "small festivals"

 

also correct

 

That one's tricky but I'd still give it to The Strokes.. According to Wiki, both Bleed American and Is This It are platinum in the US. Is This It has sold an estimated 2.5MM worldwide with no stats available for Bleed American (I'd wager the Strokes album sold more as they have a more Euro-centric appeal than Jimmy). "The Middle" charted higher than "Last Nite" on both the alternative and Top 40 charts ("The Middle" also has over 500MM streams compared to "Last Nite" which has just under 398MM on Spotify). In terms of ticket sales and venues played, The Strokes defintely tower over Jimmy Eat World.

 

In that case, there is no way the Yeah Yeah Yeahs or Interpol can headline a major festival today. Panic can, and did, headline Firefly recently.

 

you're saying "who can do this quicker" with literally no data and just guessing. MCR/FOB/PATD are not emo bands anymore, man. this is an entirely different conversation. you're talking about pop music. yes. pop bands can sell out stadiums quicker than the Yeah Yeah Yeahs lol. no one is arguing otherwise. FOB is closer to Maroon 5 than Jimmy Eat World. what point are you trying to make here

 

all 3 of them were at the bottom of my list, so sure, my ranking might be slightly off

 

My point is that the emo/Warped scene and the connections those fans made with those bands was far bigger and more impactful than the NY Rock Revolution. If we want to include the wider genre of Indie in that NY Rock Revolution (The National, Vampire Weekend, Beach House, The Killers) then it's a different argument. Even if we are limiting it to the years of 01-07, there was a perception that The Strokes, Hives, White Stripes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Interpol, etc. were much bigger than they actually were due to the media being NY and UK-centric. If you had a local House Of Blues in your B-market city, the emo/Warped bands consistently sold more tickets.

 

they both came out in the same month of 2001. is this it charted on year end billboard and international charts in 2001 and 2002. bleed american did neither, in America or abroad.

per wiki, at least

 

feeling like a centrist because I’m seeing headlining festival sets by the strokes, LCD soundsystem, interpol, yeah yeah yeahs, my chemical romance and paramore this year

 

haha

 

It's a toss-up but, like I said, if the question is "What was bigger in 2001-02" I'd give it to The Strokes. Oddly enough when I went to a radio station festival in June of 2002, The Strokes played 4th and BEFORE Hoobastank, Jimmy Eat World, P.O.D, Inucbus, Papa Roach, Korn and System Of A Down but that was likely more a reflection of what worked on the radio than actual popularity.

 

@ComedownMachine ok NOW you have to figure out the capacity of each of those festivals and rank them by size, and we will have our final answer!

 

Amen.

 

there is more of a connection between interpol and the national than there is my chemical romance and jimmy eat world. it isn't a "wider" genre at all. i live in charlotte, hardly an a-market city, and have lived in Chicago. i can tell you from first hand experience you are flat out wrong about the last point lol. idk what to tell you, man. some of this stuff is subjective and you're as entitled to your opinion and I am to mine. some of it is factual, and you are wildly incorrect on numerous points.

 

don't mayor pete me!!!